Inside of the template for "lc-row" [1], used on the page Requests for new languages [2], I've added the type of official status "Verification ongoing" which would be invoked by typing "doing" into the "status" field.
I think it's pretty plain and useful for both ourselves and those waiting for our decision. It should cover the period from adding a proposal for discussion and final decision. If there is no final decision, it should be rolled back into "discussion" status.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Lc-row [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages
Good idea, thanks for doing that! I'd I understand it right it's for cases where all criteria are (mostly) met, but we need to get external exists, right?
23. jan. 2017 21:32 skrev "Milos Rancic" millosh@gmail.com:
Inside of the template for "lc-row" [1], used on the page Requests for new languages [2], I've added the type of official status "Verification ongoing" which would be invoked by typing "doing" into the "status" field.
I think it's pretty plain and useful for both ourselves and those waiting for our decision. It should cover the period from adding a proposal for discussion and final decision. If there is no final decision, it should be rolled back into "discussion" status.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Lc-row [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages
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No, that means it's outside of the "discussion" phase and that LangCom has taken the request for verification. We could decide to reject a proposal (for example, the second request for Dalmatian is likely to be rejected and it's marked as "doing").
We basically need two weeks (am I right?) for the proposal to become a decision. So, all current non-trivial requests (that I've already marked as eligible or rejected) belong to that category for the next 10-15 days.
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com wrote:
Good idea, thanks for doing that! I'd I understand it right it's for cases where all criteria are (mostly) met, but we need to get external exists, right?
- jan. 2017 21:32 skrev "Milos Rancic" millosh@gmail.com:
Inside of the template for "lc-row" [1], used on the page Requests for new languages [2], I've added the type of official status "Verification ongoing" which would be invoked by typing "doing" into the "status" field.
I think it's pretty plain and useful for both ourselves and those waiting for our decision. It should cover the period from adding a proposal for discussion and final decision. If there is no final decision, it should be rolled back into "discussion" status.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Lc-row [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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Hoi, The two week period is for when we inform the board that we have come to a conclusion and that they may object within the two week time frame. When someone of the committee objects, it is a no. Thanks, GerardM
On 25 January 2017 at 21:39, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
No, that means it's outside of the "discussion" phase and that LangCom has taken the request for verification. We could decide to reject a proposal (for example, the second request for Dalmatian is likely to be rejected and it's marked as "doing").
We basically need two weeks (am I right?) for the proposal to become a decision. So, all current non-trivial requests (that I've already marked as eligible or rejected) belong to that category for the next 10-15 days.
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com wrote:
Good idea, thanks for doing that! I'd I understand it right it's for
cases
where all criteria are (mostly) met, but we need to get external exists, right?
- jan. 2017 21:32 skrev "Milos Rancic" millosh@gmail.com:
Inside of the template for "lc-row" [1], used on the page Requests for new languages [2], I've added the type of official status "Verification ongoing" which would be invoked by typing "doing" into the "status" field.
I think it's pretty plain and useful for both ourselves and those waiting for our decision. It should cover the period from adding a proposal for discussion and final decision. If there is no final decision, it should be rolled back into "discussion" status.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Lc-row [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
The two week period is for when we inform the board that we have come to a conclusion and that they may object within the two week time frame. When someone of the committee objects, it is a no.
What is our *internal* period after which the proposal becomes the decision if no one objects?
7 days.
By the way, the period for the proposals to the Board *was* also 7 days - before it was changed to "informing the community via meta:Talk:Langcom" (still 7 days).
2017-01-25 21:50 GMT+01:00 Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com:
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
The two week period is for when we inform the board that we have come to
a
conclusion and that they may object within the two week time frame. When someone of the committee objects, it is a no.
What is our *internal* period after which the proposal becomes the decision if no one objects?
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On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:54 PM, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
7 days.
By the way, the period for the proposals to the Board *was* also 7 days - before it was changed to "informing the community via meta:Talk:Langcom" (still 7 days).
Thanks! :)
7 days from what? If I understand correctly: Just because a proposal has been marked "eligible" doesn't mean that it has been approved (but it is then active on the incubator). Eligible are any proposals where the language has an ISO code. Then we have to check whether requirements like translations, existence of a community and regular editing are met. Then we find an expert to verify the language under review. Only after positive verification do we recommend the shift from incubator to their own wikipedia page. Or have I missed something?
On 25-Jan-17 21:54, MF-Warburg wrote:
7 days.
By the way, the period for the proposals to the Board *was* also 7 days - before it was changed to "informing the community via meta:Talk:Langcom" (still 7 days).
2017-01-25 21:50 GMT+01:00 Milos Rancic <millosh@gmail.com mailto:millosh@gmail.com>:
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> wrote: > The two week period is for when we inform the board that we have come to a > conclusion and that they may object within the two week time frame. When > someone of the committee objects, it is a no. What is our *internal* period after which the proposal becomes the decision if no one objects? _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom>
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7 days from proposing something (like eligibility) on this mailing list.
You are right about the rest. Deciding about the eligibility and deciding about the "final approval" are two different things.
2017-01-26 13:42 GMT+01:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org:
7 days from what? If I understand correctly: Just because a proposal has been marked "eligible" doesn't mean that it has been approved (but it is then active on the incubator). Eligible are any proposals where the language has an ISO code. Then we have to check whether requirements like translations, existence of a community and regular editing are met. Then we find an expert to verify the language under review. Only after positive verification do we recommend the shift from incubator to their own wikipedia page. Or have I missed something?
On 25-Jan-17 21:54, MF-Warburg wrote:
7 days.
By the way, the period for the proposals to the Board *was* also 7 days - before it was changed to "informing the community via meta:Talk:Langcom" (still 7 days).
2017-01-25 21:50 GMT+01:00 Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com:
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
The two week period is for when we inform the board that we have come
to a
conclusion and that they may object within the two week time frame. When someone of the committee objects, it is a no.
What is our *internal* period after which the proposal becomes the decision if no one objects?
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Langcom mailing listLangcom@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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Thanks.
So, it doesn't really make sense to respond to a message on change to eligible status (like many initiated by Milos recently) just to express consent. We should only respond if we have objections or questions.
On 26-Jan-17 16:54, MF-Warburg wrote:
7 days from proposing something (like eligibility) on this mailing list.
You are right about the rest. Deciding about the eligibility and deciding about the "final approval" are two different things.
2017-01-26 13:42 GMT+01:00 Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen@sil.org mailto:oliver_stegen@sil.org>:
7 days from what? If I understand correctly: Just because a proposal has been marked "eligible" doesn't mean that it has been approved (but it is then active on the incubator). Eligible are any proposals where the language has an ISO code. Then we have to check whether requirements like translations, existence of a community and regular editing are met. Then we find an expert to verify the language under review. Only after positive verification do we recommend the shift from incubator to their own wikipedia page. Or have I missed something? On 25-Jan-17 21:54, MF-Warburg wrote:7 days. By the way, the period for the proposals to the Board *was* also 7 days - before it was changed to "informing the community via meta:Talk:Langcom" (still 7 days). 2017-01-25 21:50 GMT+01:00 Milos Rancic <millosh@gmail.com <mailto:millosh@gmail.com>>: On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> wrote: > The two week period is for when we inform the board that we have come to a > conclusion and that they may object within the two week time frame. When > someone of the committee objects, it is a no. What is our *internal* period after which the proposal becomes the decision if no one objects? _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom> _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom>_______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom>
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On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
So, it doesn't really make sense to respond to a message on change to eligible status (like many initiated by Milos recently) just to express consent. We should only respond if we have objections or questions.
In the strict sense, yes, you are right. However, I appreciate expressing general support from time to time :)
Hoi, The relevance of eligible is that it means that we will not revisit the notion of a language being acceptable for a Wikipedia. Verification means that we will see if it is indeed the language as advertised. Thanks, GerardM
On 26 January 2017 at 17:57, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
So, it doesn't really make sense to respond to a message on change to eligible status (like many initiated by Milos recently) just to express consent. We should only respond if we have objections or questions.
In the strict sense, yes, you are right. However, I appreciate expressing general support from time to time :)
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