This request for "Standard Malay (Jawi)" < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Standar... is a request to create a wiki for Malay written in Jawi, a writing system based on the Arabic script. I don't think a separate wiki would be eligible using the ISO code zsm, a different solution would have to be found for that. But, I also think the request should not be made eligible. User:Ultron90 explained that there is already a script converter on Malay Wikipedia.
If there's already a script converter, I do not see the need for a separate Wikipedia. There already a few wikis with two or more scripts working with different systems, like Ladino and Serbo-Croatian. We don't need to reinvent the wheel :)
Regards, Maor
*"Jülüjain wane mmakat ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain."*
On Sun, May 4, 2025, 17:43 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
This request for "Standard Malay (Jawi)" < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Standar... is a request to create a wiki for Malay written in Jawi, a writing system based on the Arabic script. I don't think a separate wiki would be eligible using the ISO code zsm, a different solution would have to be found for that. But, I also think the request should not be made eligible. User:Ultron90 explained that there is already a script converter on Malay Wikipedia. _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
I agree. the converter is definitely enough. it is not really used by many people fr everyday business:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jawi_script "As the public educational system stopped producing Jawi texts, Jawi literature printed by private companies became dominant. Most privately produced Jawi textbooks were targeted at Islamic schools, and their contents were more conservative than in the former public school textbooks. This shift in usage led to Jawi becoming closely associated with Islam and Malay identity, with Rumi replacing its use for non-religious purposes. Over time, the use of Jawi in Malaysia became a sensitive issue. Some view attempts to promote Jawi as Islamisation or Malay chauvinism. Conversely, some view Jawi as a religious script that should not be used by non-Muslims.[20]" and "Today, Jawi is one of the official scripts of Brunei.[17] In Malaysia, it is used for religious and cultural administration in the states of Terengganu, Kelantan, Kedah, Perlis, Penang, Pahang and Johor.[citation needed] Various efforts were in place to revive the Jawi script in Malaysia and Brunei due to its role in the Malay and Islamic spheres. Jawi is also seen on the reverse of Malaysian ringgit and Brunei dollar banknotes. "
All in all, I am afraid this topic has the potential to become politicized here on Wikimedia, too, as it already is in Malaysia. It might be better t use the converter option rather than opening a new parallel project.
best, jan
Am 2025-05-04 22:49, schrieb Maor Malul:
If there's already a script converter, I do not see the need for a separate Wikipedia. There already a few wikis with two or more scripts working with different systems, like Ladino and Serbo-Croatian. We don't need to reinvent the wheel :)
Regards, Maor
"Jülüjain wane mmakat ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain."
On Sun, May 4, 2025, 17:43 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
This request for "Standard Malay (Jawi)"
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Standard_Malay_(Jawi)
is a request to create a wiki for Malay written in Jawi, a writing system based on the Arabic script. I don't think a separate wiki would be eligible using the ISO code zsm, a different solution would have to be found for that. But, I also think the request should not be made eligible. User:Ultron90 explained that there is already a script converter on Malay Wikipedia. _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
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I have marked the request as not eligible.
Am Mo., 5. Mai 2025 um 14:48 Uhr schrieb spamfilter@janwonet.de:
I agree. the converter is definitely enough. it is not really used by many people fr everyday business:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jawi_script "As the public educational system stopped producing Jawi texts, Jawi literature printed by private companies became dominant. Most privately produced Jawi textbooks were targeted at Islamic schools, and their contents were more conservative than in the former public school textbooks. This shift in usage led to Jawi becoming closely associated with Islam and Malay identity, with Rumi replacing its use for non-religious purposes. Over time, the use of Jawi in Malaysia became a sensitive issue. Some view attempts to promote Jawi as Islamisation or Malay chauvinism. Conversely, some view Jawi as a religious script that should not be used by non-Muslims.[20]" and "Today, Jawi is one of the official scripts of Brunei.[17] In Malaysia, it is used for religious and cultural administration in the states of Terengganu, Kelantan, Kedah, Perlis, Penang, Pahang and Johor.[citation needed] Various efforts were in place to revive the Jawi script in Malaysia and Brunei due to its role in the Malay and Islamic spheres. Jawi is also seen on the reverse of Malaysian ringgit and Brunei dollar banknotes. "
All in all, I am afraid this topic has the potential to become politicized here on Wikimedia, too, as it already is in Malaysia. It might be better t use the converter option rather than opening a new parallel project.
best, jan
Am 2025-05-04 22:49, schrieb Maor Malul:
If there's already a script converter, I do not see the need for a separate Wikipedia. There already a few wikis with two or more scripts working with different systems, like Ladino and Serbo-Croatian. We don't need to reinvent the wheel :)
Regards, Maor
"Jülüjain wane mmakat ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain."
On Sun, May 4, 2025, 17:43 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
This request for "Standard Malay (Jawi)"
<
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Standar...)
is a request to create a wiki for Malay written in Jawi, a writing system based on the Arabic script. I don't think a separate wiki would be eligible using the ISO code zsm, a different solution would have to be found for that. But, I also think the request should not be made eligible. User:Ultron90 explained that there is already a script converter on Malay Wikipedia. _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
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