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Mjbmr

27 Apr 2015 27 Apr '15

2:37 p.m.

Hi, Tunisian language which is called Tunisian Arabic has been always under discussions on which writing system should use, I would like language committee have a review on following this booklet <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKoVKMCvE54L4j9eEo0wc0w9gap8dwInGWmRiaqUt6M>.

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Gerard Meijssen

27 Apr 27 Apr

3:48 p.m.

Hoi, In the past we accepted Egyptian Arabic. After that we were told that Arabic will not be accepted.. So yes, we can read this article but as long as the board does not accept all the projects WE approve... Thanks, GerardM On 27 April 2015 at 16:37, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Tunisian language which is called Tunisian Arabic has been always under discussions on which writing system should use, I would like language committee have a review on following this booklet <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKoVKMCvE54L4j9eEo0wc0w9gap8dwInGWmRiaqUt6M> . _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom

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Amir E. Aharoni

4:04 p.m.

Nobody spoke about the Board yet. First there's the question of writing system, on which the Langcom has to agree. I cannot support Latin until I see convincing sources that it's useful to the speakers of this language. בתאריך 27 באפר׳ 2015 18:48,‏ "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> כתב:

Hoi, In the past we accepted Egyptian Arabic. After that we were told that Arabic will not be accepted.. So yes, we can read this article but as long as the board does not accept all the projects WE approve... Thanks, GerardM On 27 April 2015 at 16:37, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Tunisian language which is called Tunisian Arabic has been always under discussions on which writing system should use, I would like language committee have a review on following this booklet <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKoVKMCvE54L4j9eEo0wc0w9gap8dwInGWmRiaqUt6M> . _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom

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Gerard Meijssen

4:18 p.m.

Hoi, At the time we asked for approval for eligibility. It was denied. Thanks, GerardM On 27 April 2015 at 18:04, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

Nobody spoke about the Board yet. First there's the question of writing system, on which the Langcom has to agree. I cannot support Latin until I see convincing sources that it's useful to the speakers of this language. בתאריך 27 באפר׳ 2015 18:48,‏ "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> כתב: Hoi,

In the past we accepted Egyptian Arabic. After that we were told that Arabic will not be accepted.. So yes, we can read this article but as long as the board does not accept all the projects WE approve... Thanks, GerardM On 27 April 2015 at 16:37, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Tunisian language which is called Tunisian Arabic has been always under discussions on which writing system should use, I would like language committee have a review on following this booklet <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKoVKMCvE54L4j9eEo0wc0w9gap8dwInGWmRiaqUt6M> . _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom

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Amir E. Aharoni

4:48 p.m.

It was four years ago and a lot has changed since then. Again, the question of writing system is the first one that we need to tackle. בתאריך 27 באפר׳ 2015 19:19,‏ "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> כתב:

Hoi, At the time we asked for approval for eligibility. It was denied. Thanks, GerardM On 27 April 2015 at 18:04, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

Nobody spoke about the Board yet. First there's the question of writing system, on which the Langcom has to agree. I cannot support Latin until I see convincing sources that it's useful to the speakers of this language. בתאריך 27 באפר׳ 2015 18:48,‏ "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> כתב: Hoi,

In the past we accepted Egyptian Arabic. After that we were told that Arabic will not be accepted.. So yes, we can read this article but as long as the board does not accept all the projects WE approve... Thanks, GerardM On 27 April 2015 at 16:37, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Tunisian language which is called Tunisian Arabic has been always under discussions on which writing system should use, I would like language committee have a review on following this booklet <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKoVKMCvE54L4j9eEo0wc0w9gap8dwInGWmRiaqUt6M> . _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom

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Oliver Stegen

28 Apr 28 Apr

8:53 a.m.

The "booklet" runs in the same vein as the website https://sites.google.com/site/stundardtunsi/ which we looked at last year (it bears the same logo "STUNdard"). I herewith repeat the review of an independent Tunisian Arabic scholar which I elicited last year: "[...] it looks, despite the claims made on the website ("this project is not against any language"), to be an almost anti-Arabic project, out of tune with the wider population in choice of script, and even then showing both inconsistencies in writing, and writing allophones according to how the sound would be written in French. Even the style of Latin script is not how Tunisians write when doing so in Latin script - there seems to be a nod to Maltese, and I, even with an awareness of how Maltese works, had difficulty in reading it in places. Also they seem to prefer technical terms from French than (even commonly used) ones from Standard Arabic. Chances of any of this being adopted... low. But thanks for the link!" Consequently, I'm with Amir in rejecting Latin script for Tunisian Arabic. Fwiw, Oliver On 27-Apr-15 7:48 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:

It was four years ago and a lot has changed since then. Again, the question of writing system is the first one that we need to tackle. בתאריך 27 באפר׳ 2015 19:19,‏ "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> כתב: Hoi, At the time we asked for approval for eligibility. It was denied. Thanks, GerardM On 27 April 2015 at 18:04, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il <mailto:amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il>> wrote: Nobody spoke about the Board yet. First there's the question of writing system, on which the Langcom has to agree. I cannot support Latin until I see convincing sources that it's useful to the speakers of this language. בתאריך 27 באפר׳ 2015 18:48,‏ "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> כתב: Hoi, In the past we accepted Egyptian Arabic. After that we were told that Arabic will not be accepted.. So yes, we can read this article but as long as the board does not accept all the projects WE approve... Thanks, GerardM On 27 April 2015 at 16:37, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi, Tunisian language which is called Tunisian Arabic has been always under discussions on which writing system should use, I would like language committee have a review on following this booklet <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKoVKMCvE54L4j9eEo0wc0w9gap8dwInGWmRiaqUt6M>. _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom

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Gerard Meijssen

9:02 a.m.

Hoi, For the record I am all in favour of more Wikipedias of a flavour of Arabic. Thanks, GerardM On 28 April 2015 at 10:53, Oliver Stegen <info(a)oliverstegen.net> wrote:

The "booklet" runs in the same vein as the website https://sites.google.com/site/stundardtunsi/ which we looked at last year (it bears the same logo "STUNdard"). I herewith repeat the review of an independent Tunisian Arabic scholar which I elicited last year: "[...] it looks, despite the claims made on the website ("this project is not against any language"), to be an almost anti-Arabic project, out of tune with the wider population in choice of script, and even then showing both inconsistencies in writing, and writing allophones according to how the sound would be written in French. Even the style of Latin script is not how Tunisians write when doing so in Latin script - there seems to be a nod to Maltese, and I, even with an awareness of how Maltese works, had difficulty in reading it in places. Also they seem to prefer technical terms from French than (even commonly used) ones from Standard Arabic. Chances of any of this being adopted... low. But thanks for the link!" Consequently, I'm with Amir in rejecting Latin script for Tunisian Arabic. Fwiw, Oliver On 27-Apr-15 7:48 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: It was four years ago and a lot has changed since then. Again, the question of writing system is the first one that we need to tackle. בתאריך 27 באפר׳ 2015 19:19,‏ "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> כתב:

Hoi, At the time we asked for approval for eligibility. It was denied. Thanks, GerardM On 27 April 2015 at 18:04, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

Nobody spoke about the Board yet. First there's the question of writing system, on which the Langcom has to agree. I cannot support Latin until I see convincing sources that it's useful to the speakers of this language. בתאריך 27 באפר׳ 2015 18:48,‏ "Gerard Meijssen" < gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> כתב: Hoi,

In the past we accepted Egyptian Arabic. After that we were told that Arabic will not be accepted.. So yes, we can read this article but as long as the board does not accept all the projects WE approve... Thanks, GerardM On 27 April 2015 at 16:37, Mjbmr <mjbmri(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, Tunisian language which is called Tunisian Arabic has been always > under discussions on which writing system should use, I would like > language committee have a review on following this booklet > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKoVKMCvE54L4j9eEo0wc0w9gap8dwInGWmRiaqUt6M> > . > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom

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