Hoi, There is a request for a code for Australian and USAmerican English. For use in Wikidata there is imho no reason why not to allow it. Thanks, GerardM
LangCom does not decide about that.
On Nov 12, 2017 10:08 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, There is a request for a code for Australian and USAmerican English. For use in Wikidata there is imho no reason why not to allow it. Thanks, GerardM
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Hoi, Yes it does. Thanks, GerardM
On 12 November 2017 at 10:24, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
LangCom does not decide about that.
On Nov 12, 2017 10:08 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, There is a request for a code for Australian and USAmerican English. For use in Wikidata there is imho no reason why not to allow it. Thanks, GerardM
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Where is it written and when did we agree about that?
On Nov 12, 2017 10:26 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Yes it does. Thanks, GerardM
On 12 November 2017 at 10:24, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
LangCom does not decide about that.
On Nov 12, 2017 10:08 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, There is a request for a code for Australian and USAmerican English. For use in Wikidata there is imho no reason why not to allow it. Thanks, GerardM
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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For what purpose? What context? You have given no information about the requester or the request.
en-AU, en-CA, en-GB, en-IE, en-NZ, en-US, and en-ZA are the usual ways of doing these things.
On 12 Nov 2017, at 09:08, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, There is a request for a code for Australian and USAmerican English. For use in Wikidata there is imho no reason why not to allow it. Thanks, GerardM _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Hoi, Absolutely. There is no reason why en-AU or en-US are not valid and cannot be used in WIkidata for monolingual text.. That is a particular property in Wikidata. What is a problem is that at the same time codes are given a meaning that does not follow our language policy. The policy exists to prevent the abomination of using codes for something different. Thanks, GerardM
On 12 November 2017 at 18:09, Michael Everson everson@evertype.com wrote:
For what purpose? What context? You have given no information about the requester or the request.
en-AU, en-CA, en-GB, en-IE, en-NZ, en-US, and en-ZA are the usual ways of doing these things.
On 12 Nov 2017, at 09:08, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi, There is a request for a code for Australian and USAmerican English. For
use in Wikidata there is imho no reason why not to allow it.
Thanks, GerardM _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Absolutely. There is no reason why en-AU or en-US are not valid and cannot be used in WIkidata for monolingual text.. That is a particular property in Wikidata. What is a problem is that at the same time codes are given a meaning that does not follow our language policy. The policy exists to prevent the abomination of using codes for something different.
There are two policies which define work of the Language committee: * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_proposal_policy * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects
May you tell us where it says that it deals with Wikidata content?
I don't want to be splitting hairs but when clicking on a link in the first "requisite for eligibility" at [1], I get an answer:
Requisites for eligibility[edit https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Language_proposal_policy&action=edit§ion=3]
1. The proposal is to open a new language edition of anexisting Wikimedia project https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Template:Main_Page/Sisterprojectsthat does not already exist (see thecomplete list of Wikimedia projects https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Complete_list_of_Wikimedia_projectsor theSiteMatrix https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix).
That answer being that WikiData is listed among the "existing Wikimedia projects", i.e. when there is a request to open a language (or a language variant) in WikiData, LangCom makes a recommendation whether to allow that language, yes or no.
On the issue at hand, my vote is 'yes', i.e. to allow en-AU and en-US to be used in WikiData for monolingual text.
Fwiw, Oliver
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_proposal_policy#Application-procedu...
On 12-Nov-17 19:26, Milos Rancic wrote:
On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Absolutely. There is no reason why en-AU or en-US are not valid and cannot be used in WIkidata for monolingual text.. That is a particular property in Wikidata. What is a problem is that at the same time codes are given a meaning that does not follow our language policy. The policy exists to prevent the abomination of using codes for something different.
There are two policies which define work of the Language committee:
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_proposal_policy
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects
May you tell us where it says that it deals with Wikidata content?
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
The proposal is to open a new language edition of an existing Wikimedia project that does not already exist (see the complete list of Wikimedia projects or the SiteMatrix).
That answer being that WikiData is listed among the "existing Wikimedia projects", i.e. when there is a request to open a language (or a language variant) in WikiData, LangCom makes a recommendation whether to allow that language, yes or no.
That's a good explanation! I was never treated that as the a language of an existing Wikimedia project, but as Wikidata content (one of its sets) and, based on that, I was opposing the idea that LangCom interferes with the work of Wikidata.
There are, however, a couple of issues which should be cleared:
1) Is the next statement true: If an information has been added into Wikidata, counting that the information has been written in a "natural" language (including constructed ones, in this case), does the information have to be defined as belonging to a particular language? (If the answer is "yes", it makes Wikidata languages set a matter which should be regulated by LangCom.)
2) If it's regulated by LangCom, at least the requests for eligibility should be transferred to our Meta page.
3) This is about the extensive usage of BCP 47. I suggest adding Wikidata projects into the section "simple majority needed" inside of [not yet effective] Voting policy [1].
4) Should LangCom or any other hypothetical body regulate other "defining sets" on Wikidata? What about ISO/IEC 80000 (physical quantities and unites of measurement) or ISO 3166-1 (country codes)?
5) MediaWiki should be treated in the same way as Wikidata. While Translatewiki is not a Wikimedia project, MediaWiki is.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee/Voting_policy