Waste of time to discuss with who do not want to listen tonanything but
their own stories. Suggest speedy closure of the proposal and I'd even
consider a block on him at Meta. His only edits so far in Meta have been
adding huge piles of garbage at the talk page of the closed global ban
request for him and attacking his "opponents". ~M.
El El mié, 11 oct 2017 a las 10:24, Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen(a)sil.org>
escribió:
Just read the entire proposal and discussion thread -
yikes! Looks like a
matter of politics and personal issues to me, neither of which will be
solved by the closure of a WMF project. I don't see a) any reason why we
should support this request and b) any opportunity to communicate openly
and rationally with Marrovi as he does not seem to accept any critical
voice, or any non-Nahuatl voice for that matter (and to make matters worse,
he seems to be the only one defining who counts as Nahua).
My advice: Oppose the closure and don't waste any more time on Marrovi.
(But support indigenous Nahuatl wikis, by all means!)
Fwiw,
Oliver
On 10-Oct-17 22:47, Milos Rancic wrote:
Forwarding Marcos' email.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Marcos Williamson" <node.ue(a)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 10, 2017 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Langcom] Request for closure of Nahuatl Wikipedia
To: "Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee"
<langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org>rg>,
"Milos Rancic" <millosh(a)gmail.com>
Cc:
(not sure I have the ability to post here but I wanted to comment although
I am not a member of the committee)
This raises some issues that have been bubbling up since the beginning of
NAH Wikipedia. In Mexico there is a very particular type of racism or
prejudice where classical indigenous cultures and languages are upheld as
ideals to aspire to, while modern indigenous cultures and people are
minimized. This seems to have been the theme since the beginning. Over one
million people are native speakers of Náhuatl. This Wikipedia was never
intended for them, and any and all input from native speakers or people
advocating for modern indigenous perspectives to be considered has been
summarily ignored and excluded. Non-speakers (NAH-0 and NAH-1) have been so
rigid in their insistence on adherence to Classical Náhuatl norms (which
they are, ironically, not proficient in anyways) that I once got into an
edit war with a user who insisted on changing the orthography loanword
"rock" (as in "rock n roll") to "rocq", which is more
extreme than even
Spanish (the source of Classical Náhuatl orthography) and unknown by actual
Náhuatl speakers.
Mexico and Central America have large indigenous populations that include
prolific and active writers in indigenous languages. It is a shame that
Wikipedia has not been able to be part of strategies for indigenous
language maintenance in this region, in spite of serious efforts from
Yucatec Maya speakers to create a Wikipedia and repeated attempts of
Náhuatl speakers to influence the direction of the "Náhuatl Wikipedia"
On Oct 10, 2017 12:32 PM, "Maor Malul" <maor_x(a)zoho.com> wrote:
Hello,
We have received a request for closure of the Nahuatl Wikipedia:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_N…
Interestingly, the user who is requesting it has been blocked from it in
2016, as well from other three Wikipedias.
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