Mostly, it has to do with the action date. I don't think it makes WMF or LangCom look very good to have dozens of projects that appear to have been pending for over five years, especially when the requester is someone who showed up for a day, or a couple of weeks, and then has disappeared. I think it's much better to make sure the requests that are pending are current ones.

My intention, once I get to requests that are no more than a couple of years old, is to allow projects to remain "on hold" for 1–2 years, and only after that closing them. I'm figuring that if no one shows up in two years, we ought to move on.

Finally, I do intend to make clear on such pages that a future request would be welcomed if a community (re-)appears in the future.

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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 14:37:24 +0000
From: Steven White <koala19890@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Langcom] Four more Wikipedia requests dating to the
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Having heard no comments on the proposals with respect to Egyptian and Homshetsma over the last seven days, I will close both as rejected, as described in my original message.


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Amir: Someone has written a response to your email to LangCom at the bottom of the discussion page on Meta.


Gerard: You don't get asked all that often here to spend a lot of time on an involved, complicated decision. If I thought I could easily digest it and feed it to you I would. But I don't. I'm not asking you for a lot of time; rather, the community you serve needs you to spend the appropriate amount of time to see the latest evidence and decide what you think.


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Here are four more requests dating back to 2010 that I'd like to dispose of:

Wikipedia Egyptian (https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_Egyptian&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb132479a4ebe4740554308d55cd8cd68%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636517008594733253&sdata=%2BrODi9KQti4q37oqlUNtLv68UUvl5IHCpK%2FG%2Fp5Bfw4%3D&reserved=0): Propose to reject. SIL marks as an ancient language; it's a predecessor of Coptic. Writing is hieroglyphics. There is no test project underway at Incubator, and the original proposer has not been active in over five years.

Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Nigerian Pidgin (https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_Nigerian_Pidgin&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb132479a4ebe4740554308d55cd8cd68%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636517008594733253&sdata=s0udxN8jheX7fbc37aZbExOwaoZ3pks2Alaeqr5AMRU%3D&reserved=0): Marking as eligible. Ethnologue gives a figure (dating to 2005) of 30 million speakers; though not all are native, it's a widely used pidgin. Ethnologue says there isn't really a written standard, but as of 2016 there is a BBC service in the pidgin, so we can probably steer people in that direction to some extent.

Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Pipil (https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_Pipil&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb132479a4ebe4740554308d55cd8cd68%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636517008594733253&sdata=UPsCIDgHLDNmWa5hvaHJ5q4j7vKJp%2BJkFIZK24s249k%3D&reserved=0): Marking as eligible. Central American language classified by Glottolog as an Eastern Nahuatl language. Pipil is near extinction, and test project hasn't been all that active recently. But there's a decent amount of content there, and if it's valid content, then this is probably a project that should be encouraged. No objections were noted on the RFL page.

Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Homshetsma (https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_Homshetsma&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb132479a4ebe4740554308d55cd8cd68%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636517008594733253&sdata=3M5X3ioExyMGt7RFFfeMsxI3Fg%2F0JYynTVv3QGqnp6k%3D&reserved=0): Propose to reject. See https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fglottolog.org%2Fresource%2Flanguoid%2Fid%2Fhoms1234&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb132479a4ebe4740554308d55cd8cd68%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636517008594733253&sdata=hfLYK5yCqF4H6jLbT3jNo7hVKv%2FT7AdcVI0o5JKeuP0%3D&reserved=0: Western Armenian dialect not fully intelligible with Armenian. It has no ISO code, and a small number of L1 speakers. The proposal dates to the (northern hemisphere) summer of 2010, and there has been no material discussion there since then. If it ever gets a code, we could revisit; if Western Armenian gets a code, it could possibly be included there.



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Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Istriot<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_Istriot&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb88c0f39183b48a0acda08d561b50fdb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636522352636287790&sdata=8J7Bq7SqK7u2dqnRJ%2B%2BEw3%2BaQ1K1v6slnF7OC9ZywCw%3D&reserved=0>: Currently on hold. There are a few pages on Incubator, but nothing added in several years. Propose to reject as stale, without prejudice for a new request if a community comes back to work on a project.

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