Is that satisfactory to everyone?
Steven
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I have checked multiple pages and they are definitely not Urdu and look Saraiki to me.
Saraiki is similar to Punjabi so I can understand it and confirm that this looks
legitimate to me.
P.S. Western Punjabi and Saraiki are pretty similar and my personal view is that this
should be accommodated on one Wikipedia but the sociology-political situation in Pakistan
calls for a separate Wikipedia for Saraiki.
Regards
Satdeep Gill
Program Officer
GLAM and Underrepresented Knowledge
Wikimedia Foundation
On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 at 20:11, Steven White
<koala19890@hotmail.com<mailto:koala19890@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I have put a query to the community at
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wp/skr/%D9%BE%DB%81%D9%84%D8%A7_%…amp;reserved=0>.
I will post links at Incubator's Community Portal and at the Meta request page.
Steven
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Subject: Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia in Saraiki
Gerard, I'm sympathetic to that position. But I don't see any provision for a ban
in the policy, and LangCom doesn't own Incubator. So I don't quite know how or
where to initiate a discussion to propose a ban. I can, however, indefinitely block as an
Incubator administrator, as deliberately creating content to pass it off as the wrong
language is, if nothing else, a form of vandalism or disruptive editing.
In the meantime, I intend to go over to that test project and ask them what is going on.
Our general rules require that.
Steven
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Hoi,
No we have an indefinite ban on incubator for the people posing as if they speak a
language they do not speak.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 22:25, Steven White
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This really upsets me. But if the content is in Urdu, then (a) we ask what's going on,
(b) we don't approve, and (c) in all likelihood, we propose an indef block on
Incubator, given that many of the same characters were involved in a problem around the
Khowar project a couple of years back.
Steven
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Subject: [Langcom] Wikipedia in Saraiki
Hi all!
I wanted to let you know that I'm in touch with an expert with regards to verifying
Wikipedia in
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(skr). It was previously mentioned by Seven in an email titled "Final approval for
four projects" from August 16.
The expert checked one page and said it is in Urdu and not Saraiki (although it is about
Saraiki topics). He said he will get back to me to check more pages in a week or two.
However, after he said that, I've checked several pages with Google Translate from
Urdu to English, and they all produce very legible content (for Google Translate). That
makes me suspicious that maybe all the content is in fact in Urdu – if it was in fact in a
smaller language, I would expect a certain amount of words that Google Translate just
doesn't understand.
So the question is, what do we do if it turns out that most/all content is in Urdu?
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Jon Harald Søby
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