So here's what has to happen next:
* Someone at
translatewiki.net should activate the code. (Calling Amir ...)
* The community can start working on a Wikipedia project on Incubator at Wp/hyw.
Remember: the rules at Incubator are less strict than the rules for a final approval. In
most cases of living, natural languages, as long as there is a valid code, a project may
remain on Incubator, even without a LangCom approval. So gather a community together and
start working on something. Do we need to set up Armenian Wikipedia as a transwiki import
SOURCE to Incubator so that articles can be brought over more easily? (MF-W?)
* A "Request for new languages" is not necessary right away, and tends to
bring out the worst in everyone's politics. Let the community work for a little while
on Incubator before coming to Meta with a formal request.
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1. Re: Western Armenian has been adopted "hyw" (Oliver Stegen)
2. Re: Western Armenian has been adopted "hyw" (Amir E. Aharoni)
3. Re: Western Armenian has been adopted "hyw" (Michael Everson)
4. Re: 2018 SIL approvals (was: Western Armenian has been
adopted "hyw") (Michael Everson)
5. Re: Western Armenian has been adopted "hyw" (Michael Everson)
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:39:20 +0100
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Congratulations, Michael and the entire Western Armenian community (or
rather communities!). And thanks for all the effort you put into this!
Cheers,
Oliver
On 30-Jan-18 23:22, Michael Everson wrote:
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So... This raises several questions.
1. Should this language be added to translatewiki.net? This was requested
some time ago:
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftranslate…
support_for_Western_Armenian_(hym) . This means that it will be possible to
translate MediaWiki into it.
2. I couldn't find a request for a Western Armenian Wikipedia, which is
somewhat surprising :) . The closest thing I can find is
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wiki…
languages/Wikipedia_Homshetsma , which is not the same thing. In any case,
whenever such a request is made, will it be eligible?
I am inclined to answer "yes" to both questions, but with a caveat. I know
very little about the Armenian language. My support is based mainly on
Michael's conclusions of the examination of the differences between Eastern
and Western varieties. However, the documents linked from the first email
in this thread mention the similarity of the situation with Montengrin,
which the committee seems not to support.
If we reject Montenegrin, but support Western Armenian, we'll have to
explain it.
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2018-01-31 14:39 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen(a)sil.org>rg>:
Congratulations, Michael and the entire Western
Armenian community (or
rather communities!). And thanks for all the effort you put into this!
Cheers,
Oliver
On 30-Jan-18 23:22, Michael Everson wrote:
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On 31 Jan 2018, at 12:39, Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen(a)sil.org> wrote:
Congratulations, Michael and the entire Western Armenian community (or rather
communities!). And thanks for all the effort you put into this!
It was quite a lot of effort, producing the proposal document.
Now let’s get this one going. What do they have to do now?
Michael
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 15:03:20 +0000
From: Michael Everson <everson(a)evertype.com>
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Gerard. 639-2 is a subset of 639-3
On 31 Jan 2018, at 09:57, Gerard Meijssen
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Hoi,
Wait a sec; Montenegrin is to be recognised by the ISO 639-3. I do not care for what ISO
639-2 has to say.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 31 January 2018 at 10:47, Steven White <Koala19890(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
In fact, the entire 2017 SIL approval/rejection results are available here. (Montenegrin
does not appear here, as that was a separate process through ISO 639-2.)
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On 31 Jan 2018, at 12:56, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
So... This raises several questions.
Really?
1. Should this language be added to translatewiki.net?
This was requested some time ago:
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftranslate…
. This means that it will be possible to translate MediaWiki into it.
Yes, certainly it should.
2. I couldn't find a request for a Western
Armenian Wikipedia, which is somewhat surprising :) . The closest thing I can find is
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wiki…
, which is not the same thing. In any case, whenever such a request is made, will it be
eligible?
It will be eligible. There are some articles in the current Armenian Wikipedia that are
marked as written in Western Armenian, and I would be expecting them to be migrated.
Homshetsi is evidently a dialect of Western Armenian with fewer than 1000 speakers. I do
not know anything more about it. It has no ISO code.
I am inclined to answer "yes" to both
questions, but with a caveat. I know very little about the Armenian language. My support
is based mainly on Michael's conclusions of the examination of the differences between
Eastern and Western varieties.
We showed lists and paradigms showing the linguistic differences.
However, the documents linked from the first email in
this thread mention the similarity of the situation with Montengrin, which the committee
seems not to support.
I don’t support it because it does not appear that Montenegrin differs from Serbian in any
significant way.
If we reject Montenegrin, but support Western
Armenian, we'll have to explain it.
Absolutely we do not have to do this. There is no dependency between them. None. And
Western Armenian is HUGELY different from Eastern Armenian. Please study the attached
which was part of our proposal for the language code.
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