Well, my point of view hasn't drastically changed since I defended the
creation of a Wikipedia in Lingua Franca Nova, namely that the main
criterion for creating or not creating a new project should be the question
whether it is viable. From that point of view I'd say: go for it!
However, I can't deny having some second thoughts here. You might want to
take a look at the page history of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kotava
Thing is, sometime in the second half of the 2000s, Kotava suddenly
appeared out of nothing. Nobody in the conlang community had ever heard of
it. Yet, they immediately started making claims about some 50 fluent
speakers, which for a constructed language is quite a lot and, to be quite
honest, rather improbable. Those 50 speakers were also the ticket for
Kotava to obtain an ISO 639-3 code, and subsequently, this ISO code became
the ticket for Wikipedia articles about Kotava.
You may want to look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kotava
especially also at its page history. All substantial contributions to the
article were made by one-issue accounts with an obvious interest in
promoting the language. The main problem, however, is the total lack of
independent, reliable sources about language. This resulted in no less than
three deletions, and for the record, the current version of the page is
practically identical to the 2013 version, which was changed into a
redirect for that very reason. The discussions that followed were rather
In short: there is practically no verifiable information about the
language, its creator, its speakers, etc. at all. Therefore, we can't
exclude the possibility that it is just the hobby project of four of five
people, who also happen to be the only people who can conform whether the
content of the Incubator project is valid Kotava or not. From that point of
view, a checkuser might not be a bad idea before validating anything.
That said, Kotava indeed has an impressive text corpus. Enough to warrant
the creation of a Kotava Wikipedia, I believe.
Jan van Steenbergen
Op do 26 sep. 2019 om 23:48 schreef Jon Harald Søby <jhsoby(a)gmail.com>om>:
I'd like to hear your thoughts on the Kotava Wikipedia. Kotava is a
conlang created in 1978, mainly known in French-speaking countries
(according to the English Wikipedia). They have a very active test wiki in
Incubator, with more than 3,000 articles, which makes it bigger than the
Novial Wikipedia (which we approved in 2008) and about the same size as the
Lingua Franca Nova (LFN) Wikipedia (which we approved in 2017). There are
several active users, and sustained activity
for many months.
Does anyone have reasons for why we should not approve this project?
Jon Harald Søby
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