Hoi,
Halleluja !!
Thanks,
GerardM
On 17 October 2017 at 13:43, Michael Everson <everson(a)evertype.com> wrote:
If a non-native speaker is screwing up
wikipedias, he should not be
allowed to continue.
On 17 Oct 2017, at 07:57, Maor Malul <maor_x(a)zoho.com> wrote:
I'm more than happy to do it, but I have experienced Marrovi's behavior
in
the Spanish Wikipedia, where he has been permanently blocked, and in the
Ladino Wikipedia, where he was doing the same thing (and in my opinion,
still does) and I do not trust him; I am even thinking it is time for a
Global Ban -the value of his contributions are reduced to almost zero with
his attitude towards other contributors and making his own rules on every
project he has worked on, as you can see on each one of the four wikis he
has been permanently banned from.
I'd rather contact WMMX to see how more Nahuatl speakers can be
recruited and
in the meantime, encourage the current nahwiki community to
improve the contents of the project, discussing it on Meta.
Thanks,
M
On 16/10/2017 8:59 p.m., Oliver Stegen wrote:
> Thanks, Steven - I applaud your wrestling with possible next steps and
your
proposal of a general RfC page on Meta. Alas!, I don't have enough
Spanish to represent LangCom there. Maybe Maor Malul? (the only native
Spanish speaker among us)
>
> Fwiw,
> Oliver
>
> On 16-Oct-17 19:43, Steven White wrote:
>> There is no question that User:Marrovi is difficult. The fact that
the
proposal comes from him makes it hard to take seriously in many
respects. And in any event, unless the nahwiki project is really not in
valid Nahuatl (of some type or another), I don't see any policy grounds on
which you can justify closing this project.
>>
>> That having been said, I think you really need to take the comments
by
Marcos Williamson (by e-mail) and User:Maunus (on-wiki) to heart. It's
really too bad that Marrovi's presence muddles the picture so much, because
there are apparently some serious issues here. I am not sure, personally,
exactly what to do about it. In theory, I try to encourage the individual
Nahuatl test projects at Incubator, but Marrovi is also very active there,
and I do not have the language skills to know if he's writing garbage (and
can be blocked) or not.
>>
>> As to the current nah Wikipedia, in principle I like the suggestion
by
Maunus (that Michael endorsed). But I don't see how that generally fits
WMF's rules ("anyone can edit"). I've been wracking my brain over
next
steps forward, and all I can really see is this:
>> • Reject and close this current
proposal.
>> • Create a more general RfC page to discuss whether the rules for
nahwiki should (or even can) be changed to give more weight to the
contributions of true, fluent Nahuatl speakers. I think this should be on
Meta, because if it is actually on nahwiki, much will be in Nahuatl, and
most of us can't speak it.
>> • When you do this, it would
be best if someone had at
least a rough proposal in mind. And I suspect it needs to
include some
content evaluation by experts in Nahuatl who are currently uninvolved in
the dispute.
>> • Probably someone fairly
fluent in Spanish—that's the
"major" language that most interested
parties speak–needs to draft that
proposal and then moderate.
>> • Marrovi needs to be
strictly limited in his
contributions so that he does not continue to write
"walls" of text. If you
set such limitations, I can enforce them as a sysop.
>> • See if Wikimedia Mexico can recruit
more Nahuatl-speaking
contributors.
>
> Respectfully,
> Steven White (User:StevenJ81)
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