Hoi,
There are several parts to this. There is the technical part of it. There
is the principle behind my stance.
When you look at a page in the asl incubator [1] it is full of English and
we do want a complete UI in ASL. I have no clue how an ASL UI should look
and we will never figure it out without an environment that is completely
top down. The notion that I should comment on Phabricator is something I
reject. It is not an environment that I frequent. It has everything to do
with the fact that it did not work well for me in the past.
The second part is that it has been argued before that we should be more
forthcoming in enabling new projects. This project has two arguments going
for it. The technical one and the fact that an organisation supports it and
will not abandon it. Yair and Steve are of that organisation and community.
I have argued before that when a credible organisation supports a language,
an organisation that has no POV as far as content is concerned, we can be
more forthcoming.
When Milos argues that my position was rather strong on something in the
past, he does not provide an argument that is relevant to this case. I
therefore ignore it.
I do have sufficient experience in computing to know that it is not trivial
to solve all the technical issues. I am disappointed in the use of the
flexibility that we have in our policy and at some stage I have to decide
how to spend my time. When it is proven to me yet again how inflexible we
are I fail to see a benefit of my involvement.
Thanks,
GerardM
[1]
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x…
On 31 May 2016 at 19:36, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il>
wrote:
There are several things that I fail to understand
despite repeated
discussions about this topic:
* What are the particular technical issues that cannot be resolved in the
Incubator? The best place to file this is Phabricator. Can they be filed
there?
* Is there a clear migration path from the current way of storing the text
to true Unicode?
* How does the input work?
My impression with Yair and other volunteers working on this skin has been
very positive till now. I don't doubt their programming skill and their
commitment to the project. I'm not just being polite—this actually is my
impression. Nonetheless, I need a clear explanation about the reasons why
we should bypass the usual confirmation of incubator activity. Getting
*direct* and *detailed* answers to the questions above from the people who
do the technical work on them will help move things forward. I'm sorry, but
Gerard's statement that "it is the only way that we will get the technical
aspects of MediaWiki right" is a generalization, and it is neither direct
nor detailed.
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http://aharoni.wordpress.com
“We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2016-05-31 0:18 GMT-07:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hoi,
The language policy allows us to be flexible with how we interpret the
rules. My experience is that we are not using this flexibility. I made
several proposals over te last few years and they have all been torpedoed.
ASL is the latest example of this. It makes sense to allow for one
Wikipedia with SignWriting because it is the only way that we will get the
technical aspects of MediaWiki right. It means that issues will be exposed
in Commons and Wikidata as well.
This is denied for no reason that is clear to me.
I feel that when we cannot make use of the room the policy allows us,
there is no purpose for me to be a member.. It is up to the rest of the
committee to consider this. I hope that we will have an ASL Wikipedia in
the near future but if that is not to be, it and the implementation of the
language policy is no longer my active concern.
Thanks,
GerardM
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