Hello,
Apologies for posting here. I just found out about this threads and I want to address MF-Warburg concerns.
Thanks a lot for your reply!
As far as I can tell, wikinews articles are mostly news summary from respected newspapers as sources (at most 2 sources per article). This policy we have adhered to. Most of the news articles on enwikinews are stub-like if compared to enwiki articles see examples here:
https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/More_than_100_killed_in_mosque_bombing_in_Pakistan
https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Earthquake_strikes_Aksu_Prefecture,_Xinjiang_Region,_China;_no_casualties_reported
https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/US_singer_Madonna%27s_elder_brother_Anthony_Ciccone_dies_at_age_66
https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Glasshouse_in_to_Tier_1_women%27s_cricket_final_on_Australia%27s_Sunshine_Coast
When we started this project, we cite two to three sources but decided to stick to one source since ours is summarising a news article and then translating it. This is a community decision. You can see examples here.
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wn/guw/Folasade_Ogunsola_l%E1%BA%B9zun_y%E1%BB%8Dnnu_tintan_heyin_m%E1%BA%B9b%E1%BB%8Ddo-azinpon%E1%BB%8D_UNILAG_t%E1%BB%8Dn_go
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wn/guw/Naijilia_na_klan_eyin_Bola_Tinubu_l%E1%BA%B9zun_t%C3%B2g%C3%A1n_w%E1%BA%B9_Obaseki_d%E1%BB%8D
As to posting short edits, I correct the sentences in most cases and that gives a lot of issues to me. So I encouraged writing text in bits and making sure the tonal markers are right. This reduces the level of my corrections on the body of texts. I also come in to add the proper formatting (once we get approval importing and then using the templates is usually easy and this will reduce this work) and audio to the news. You can confirm this trends on guwwiki or guwwiktionary. It's not a tactic as you concluded. Gungbe is tonal and a word if not marked properly can have different meanings e.g owhé(house), owhe(year), owhè(sun).
So if I understand it correctly, several users are contributing the content, while you see to it that the formatting is done properly. This leads me to wonder: does this project rely entirely on you being there? I don't mean this in a negative way, I appreciate what you do a lot, but if one person has to "fix" every article, that would be a problem if that one person once happens to be unavailable.
Concerning using Google translate to translate our article and Google suggesting it as Yoruba. A proper test I think you should have done is reversing the Google translated text in English back to Yoruba and you will be amazed to see that no single word or expression will be the same as the previous text in gungbe. But thanks for this observations, it makes me to be aware of the possibility of gungbe being added to Google translate languages soon. My explanation for this is that there are large body of texts online for Gungbe and Google's algorithm is based on how close a written text is to an existing language. I found this interesting paper https://metatext.io/datasets/jw300. And did the same test you did on this:
https://www.jw.org/guw/Wes%E1%BA%B9dot%E1%BA%B9n/linlinwe-l%E1%BA%B9/at%C3%B2%CC%A3h%C3%B2%CC%A3-nuhih%C3%B3%CC%A3-l%E1%BB%8D-t%E1%BB%8Dn-s%E1%BB%8Dha1-2019-jan-f%C3%A9vr/naw%E1%BA%B9-jiwhey%E1%BA%B9whe-n%E1%BB%8D-yin/
https://www.jw.org/guw/nuhe-biblu-pl%E1%BB%8Dn-m%C3%AD/kanbi%E1%BB%8D-l%E1%BA%B9/pipeh%E1%BA%B9-z%C3%B2%CC%A3n-j%E1%BA%B9magb%E1%BB%8D/
The texts are in gungbe but Google gives an intelligent translation and detects it as Yoruba. But when done in the reverse. It doesn't match the previous text. (You can try it too)
I'll suggest when you do such test next time, try to do the reverse and see if it matches the previous text.
Well yes - but a Google Translate "re-translation" never gives back the original text, regardless of the languages involved. I was merely surprised to see this translation being understandable, so I wondered about whether the pages are not actually written in Yoruba. But if I understand it correctly, it is just a case of mutual intelligibility?
In addition to the above, you can see that most of our sports news article are longer than most enwikinews articles. You can see here:
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wn/guw/Kane_do_ag%C3%B3_200t%E1%BB%8D_et%E1%BB%8Dn_to_Premier_League_m%E1%BA%B9_dile_Tottenham_duto_Man_City_ji
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wn/guw/Man_City_h%C3%B2_Chelsea,_nado_s%E1%BA%B9p%E1%BB%8D_m%E1%BA%B9he_to_aga_to_todohukanji_EPL_t%E1%BB%8Dn_m%E1%BA%B9
Or a full list in the sports category:
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wn/guw/Aihundida_lanm%E1%BA%B9yiya_t%E1%BB%8Dn
Let me know if further clarifications are needed from me.
Once again, apologies for posting here as I assume it is not open to the public.
No worries, thanks for addressing the questions so we can move this forward!
Best
Samatics
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