MF-W, I never saw your email on the proposed LPP changes at the time. What's more, I
just looked through my email again, and still didn't see it. I only found your
response when I looked at the online archive of the private list. I don't know what
happened there, but I really was not trying to ignore any input. I promise you that, and
apologize that it must appear otherwise.
I will not post the proposed changes live today at all. I will move them back to my
sandbox, unhide them, and incorporate many of your comments. Look
here<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:StevenJ81/sandbox> (perhaps an hour after
this email): Just a few points in response to that email:
* The reason I added the introductory remark is that people always keep asking why
such-and-such project is allowed (Latin Wikipedia is often cited) when it goes against
policy. I added that line to forestall the constant questions. If you don't think it
should stay, that's fine, but that's why I put it.
* New point 1 was old point 1, too. (It's not actually a new point.) The only
thing that actually changed was a footnote leading to the place where completely new
projects can be requested. On the current version of the page you'll see that. I can
remove if you want, but it was already there.
* Point 2 included the BCP 47 issue already. But I will remove the 2/3 vote bit.
* Point 3: I will shorten the macrolanguage part.
* Point 4: Concerning ancient languages:
* I was confused, then, by what happened with Coptic. When I went back just now and
looked at the discussion on Coptic in July 2017, what I saw didn't really say much on
a Coptic Wikipedia; it spoke more to the possibility of a Wikisource and of interface
translation, with some people saying that potentially they could see a Coptic Wikipedia
being allowed in the future. Then you marked the project on-wiki as "eligible".
* It seems to me that it will be hard to say that Coptic can be eligible but
Ancient Greek cannot. I tried to write that provision narrowly, so as to capture Ancient
Greek without opening the door to every ancient language in history. I do think,
especially given Coptic, that we need to allow Ancient Greek. But if the Committee thinks
it's better to say "we decided to allow it notwithstanding policy as an
exception", that's OK.
* I think Wikipedia is different from other projects with respect to ancient
languages, though. I think it's entirely reasonable to imagine that someone who knows
Latin or Ancient Greek might go to those Wikipedias to look up something about Rome or
Athens. (That's certainly as reasonable as someone going to Jamaican Creole Wikipedia
to look up something about Jamaica.) I don't think I can really see that someone would
go to an Ancient Greek or Latin Wikivoyage to look at travel issues, even about Rome or
Athens. That's why I handled those differently. Again, though, if Ancient Greek (and
Coptic) Wikipedias end up as exceptions, then this becomes a non-issue.
Steven
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1. Proposed changes to LPP (Steven White)
2. Request rejected without discussion (MF-Warburg)
3. Re: Proposed changes to LPP (MF-Warburg)
4. Requests for new languages: Wikisource Literary Chinese
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Subject: [Langcom] Proposed changes to LPP
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The changes I proposed to LPP, which I first shared with the rest of the Committee on the
private email list on 3 December 2018, will be posted on Meta for discussion a little
later today (my time). The page containing the (proposed) revised policy is
here<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fm…amp;reserved=0>;
discussion will be on that page's talk page. I intend to leave the discussion up
until the end of February, unless discussion really fades out before then.
Steven
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