Thanks, Steven - I applaud your wrestling with possible next steps and
your proposal of a general RfC page on Meta. Alas!, I don't have enough
Spanish to represent LangCom there. Maybe Maor Malul? (the only native
Spanish speaker among us)
On 16-Oct-17 19:43, Steven White wrote:
There is no question that User:Marrovi is difficult. The fact that the
proposal comes from him makes it hard to take seriously in many
respects. And in any event, unless the nahwiki project is really
not in valid Nahuatl (of some type or another), I don't see any policy
grounds on which you can justify closing this project.
That having been said, I think you really need to take the comments by
Marcos Williamson (by e-mail) and User:Maunus (on-wiki) to heart. It's
really too bad that Marrovi's presence muddles the picture so much,
because there are apparently some serious issues here. I am not sure,
personally, exactly what to do about it. In theory, I try to encourage
the individual Nahuatl test projects at Incubator, but Marrovi is also
very active there, and I do not have the language skills to know if
he's writing garbage (and can be blocked) or not.
As to the current nah Wikipedia, in principle I like the suggestion by
Maunus (that Michael endorsed). But I don't see how that generally
fits WMF's rules ("anyone can edit"). I've been wracking my brain
over next steps forward, and all I can really see is this:
* Reject and close this current proposal.
* Create a more general RfC page to discuss whether the rules for
nahwiki should (or even can) be changed to give more weight to the
contributions of true, fluent Nahuatl speakers. I think this
should be on Meta, because if it is actually on nahwiki, much will
be in Nahuatl, and most of us can't speak it.
o When you do this, it would be best if someone had at least a
rough proposal in mind. And I suspect it needs to include some
content evaluation by experts in Nahuatl who are currently
uninvolved in the dispute.
o Probably someone fairly fluent in Spanish—that's the "major"
language that most interested parties speak–needs to draft
that proposal and then moderate.
o Marrovi needs to be strictly limited in his contributions so
that he does not continue to write "walls" of text. If you set
such limitations, I can enforce them as a sysop.
* See if Wikimedia Mexico can recruit more Nahuatl-speaking
Steven White (User:StevenJ81)
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