[Langcom] Re: Moroccan Tamazight (Wp/zgh)

Hello Sotiale and thank you for your answer, Sorry for my late reply as I was travelling back from Singapore and had also other engagements. So regarding your argumentation, if you consider zgh not a distinct language "because it is just a standard representation of Berber languages", then we have also to consider standard Arabic (ISO 639:ara) not a distinct language because it is not spoken in any country/region and is "a standard representation of Arabic languages". Of course, there are many more sources and books in standard Arabic due to religious and historical reasons, but it is still a standardized language, and only a written one. This said, it will of course never be considered to close the Arabic Wikipedia because of it. Therefore, it can be really tricky to base the decisions on this argument, although it is understandable that some languages are "bigger" or more established than others. What do you think? Best regards, Anass On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 3:08 PM MF-Warburg &lt;mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote: > NB: there has also been a discussion at < > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Morocc…gt;. > I believe there are several requests open for related languages. It would > be good to have some clarity to avoid the community being split into > multiple incubator test-wikis. > > Am Fr., 18. Aug. 2023 um 14:38 Uhr schrieb Sotiale Wiki < > sotiale.wm(a)gmail.com&gt;gt;: > >> Thank you for your kind explanation. >> >> If this can be understood as the relationship between Standard Arabic >> (ISO 639:arb) and Arabic (ISO 639:ara), then zgh is not a distinct language >> because it is just a standard representation of Berber languages. This is >> true even in light of the current LPP, which excludes different written >> forms of any language. >> >> Therefore, it seems that eligibility for this language cannot be >> recognized. >> >> Sotiale >> >> 2023년 8월 16일 (수) 오후 10:48, Anass Sedrati &lt;sedranas(a)gmail.xn--com&gt;-4f21ay07k 작성: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am very familiar with this case as I come myself from Morocco and >>> speak Berber. The standard Tamazight ( >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Moroccan_Amazigh) is not a >>> spoken language, but only a written one. It was created by the official >>> Academy of Berber languages in Morocco ( >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Institute_of_Amazigh_Culture) >>> in an attempt to standardize the Berber languages, as there are many of >>> them spoken in Morocco ( >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_languages). >>> >>> So to answer you, standard Tamazight is exactly like modern standard >>> Arabic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Standard_Arabic). It >>> is a standardized language with rules, but not a spoken one (nobody speaks >>> standard Arabic as a mother tongue, every Arab country has its own dialect). >>> >>> This is to explain that even if it not native, Zgh can be treated as >>> modern standard Arabic in terms of linguistics. I hope that this gives a >>> bit of context, but I am happy to expand on any aspect if you have >>> additional questions! >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Anass >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 3:00 PM Sotiale Wiki &lt;sotiale.wm(a)gmail.com&gt; >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all. >>>> >>>> I'm not familiar with the Moroccan languages, so I'd love to hear >>>> from other colleagues. >>>> >>>> I'm considering this language project as a potential candidate for >>>> approval, but I'm wondering if this is a standardization of other >>>> languages, or a distinct language from others? >>>> >>>> Since this site[1] states that there are no native speakers, I >>>> wondered if this was just standardization of other languages(the case that >>>> native speakers have a standardized language while using their own >>>> languages). >>>> >>>> [1] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/zgh/ >>>> >>>> Sotiale >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> 바이러스가 >>>> 없습니다.www.avast.com >>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>>> <#m_-681473850486263020_m_922395621415868508_m_8888600196279916464_m_3445872535440906073_m_5983961874573513948_m_-52777032840040729_m_-1496450384923849562_m_5794971244151197459_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list -- langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ----------------------------------------------------- >>> *Anass SEDRATI* >>> *(+46) 70 508 51 07* >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list -- langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list -- langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list -- langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org > -- ----------------------------------------------------- *Anass SEDRATI* *(+46) 70 508 51 07* _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list -- langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org