Hoi,
The point of eligibility is that when it is eligible it will mean that all other requirements are fulfilled, a new project will start. This does not apply in this situation. We do not tell Incubator what to do. We do tell them that a project has a prospect or not for the creation of a full project.
Thanks,
       GerardM

On 13 June 2018 at 16:34, Steven White <Koala19890@hotmail.com> wrote:

Gerard, your opinion puts me into a difficult situation. The formal "Requests for new languages" page does not specifically request a Latin-alphabet project. It simply requests a project. The language has enough speakers to be eligible by policy. Unless somebody checks out the project and tells me that what is written is not Khorasani Turkic at all, the project has enough activity to be eligible by policy. And under normal circumstances it is not our role to tell a community in Incubator how to run its project.


For these reasons, I don't really see a policy-based justification for not marking this request "eligible". The test is not so active that it will get anywhere near approvability any time soon. So I think for now, we have to mark it eligible. And if and when it comes up for approval, we can decide what to do at that point.


Steven


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017       (first
      group) (Steven White)
   2. Re: Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017       (first
      group) (Gerard Meijssen)
   3. Chinese (Gerard Meijssen)
   4. Re: Chinese (Jon Harald Søby)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 15:21:54 +0000
From: Steven White <Koala19890@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017
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I think the difference between this case and the "Romanized Persian" situation is that in the "Romanized Persian" case, there is already an active, solid project in Persian. Thus, anyone wanting to create this project has to work through the Persian Wikipedia community to make this happen. In the case of Khorasani Turkic, there is nothing else created in this language. And the language is inherently eligible. So I think by policy I need to mark it eligible. By the time it comes to approve the project, if ever, one of the following will have happened:

  *   Because the general script of the language is Perso-Arabic, people will have come along and changed the content to that script.
  *   That doesn't happen, but there is evidence of a community that will make use of the project in Latin script.
  *   Some combination of the above, where they will have worked out a modus vivendi between the two while the test is still in Incubator.

For that reason, I'm not too worried about marking it "eligible".

Steven


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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 20:29:52 +0200
From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee
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Subject: Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017
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Hoi,
It only makes sense to do so when there is a public. It is not a hobby.
Thanks,
      GerardM

On 6 June 2018 at 19:37, Michael Everson <siorrai@evertype.com> wrote:

> I have no objection to a Roman alphabet version of editors wish to create
> one.
>
> > On 6 Jun 2018, at 16:17, Steven White <Koala19890@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Khorasani Turkic (kmz): In theory, the language ought to be eligible.
> But the test is written in a Romanized form, which neither Ethnologue nor
> the enwiki article shows as an ordinary variant. Thoughts?
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 18:09:20 +0200
From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee
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Subject: Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017
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Hoi,
You have not explained who this project is targetting. When the editors are
the audience it fails on principles.  I disagree that this is an eligible
project.
Thanks,
     GerardM

On 12 June 2018 at 17:21, Steven White <Koala19890@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I think the difference between this case and the "Romanized Persian"
> situation is that in the "Romanized Persian" case, there is already an
> active, solid project in Persian. Thus, anyone wanting to create this
> project has to work through the Persian Wikipedia community to make this
> happen. In the case of Khorasani Turkic, there is nothing else created in
> this language. And the language is inherently eligible. So I think by
> policy I need to mark it eligible. By the time it comes to approve the
> project, if ever, one of the following will have happened:
>
>
>    - Because the general script of the language is Perso-Arabic, people
>    will have come along and changed the content to that script.
>    - That doesn't happen, but there is evidence of a community that will
>    make use of the project in Latin script.
>    - Some combination of the above, where they will have worked out a *
>    modus vivendi* between the two while the test is still in Incubator.
>
> For that reason, I'm not too worried about marking it "eligible".
>
> Steven
>
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> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 20:29:52 +0200
> From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee
>         <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017
>         (first group)
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> Hoi,
> It only makes sense to do so when there is a public. It is not a hobby.
> Thanks,
>       GerardM
>
> On 6 June 2018 at 19:37, Michael Everson <siorrai@evertype.com> wrote:
>
> > I have no objection to a Roman alphabet version of editors wish to create
> > one.
> >
> > > On 6 Jun 2018, at 16:17, Steven White <Koala19890@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Khorasani Turkic (kmz): In theory, the language ought to be eligible.
> > But the test is written in a Romanized form, which neither Ethnologue nor
> > the enwiki article shows as an ordinary variant. Thoughts?
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 18:41:17 +0200
From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>
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Subject: [Langcom] Chinese
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Hoi,
Chinese is special because the difference between the various flavours of
Chinese are handled in software, not in translatewiki. It works for both
the localisation and the text.

A question was raised if the Language committee needs to provide permission
for specific versions of Chinese eg Hong Kong or Singapore Chinese. It
means that in code characters are replaced by others..

In my opinion this is no different from having American, British,
Australian articles in the English Wikipedia and consequently I think that
we do not have to give our agreement.

Do you all concur?
Thanks,
      GerardM
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 09:15:34 +0200
From: Jon Harald Søby <jhsoby@gmail.com>
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What is this in reference to? https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fphabricator.wikimedia.org%2FT193983&data=02%7C01%7C%7C106a2fb40f1c436e626308d5d0fd7a66%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636644709450280769&sdata=0oiMNuYBKn1clQYueV%2BZfNwyZshkUk03BAgwRegbrFw%3D&reserved=0 ?

2018-06-12 18:41 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>:

> Hoi,
> Chinese is special because the difference between the various flavours of
> Chinese are handled in software, not in translatewiki. It works for both
> the localisation and the text.
>
> A question was raised if the Language committee needs to provide
> permission for specific versions of Chinese eg Hong Kong or Singapore
> Chinese. It means that in code characters are replaced by others..
>
> In my opinion this is no different from having American, British,
> Australian articles in the English Wikipedia and consequently I think that
> we do not have to give our agreement.
>
> Do you all concur?
> Thanks,
>       GerardM
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