I have not gotten a reply yet. Yesterday I emailed to
more people from
Pakistani universities with Saraiki departments, but no reply from any if
them yet either.
ons. 16. okt. 2019, 16:29 skrev Steven White <koala19890(a)hotmail.com>om>:
Have we heard from the expert yet?
On a related subject: Do we have any Wiktionary experts here? Saraiki
Wiktionary is also now approvable in theory (assuming that the language
issue on the Wikipedia clears). My concern about the Saraiki Wiktionary is
only that compared to a lot of Wiktionary projects, this one appears pretty
basic to me: just a straight Saraiki dictionary, with little in the way of
bells and whistles (pronunciation, translations to other languages, etc.).
But that's just based on the gross appearance of pages, as I do not read
Saraiki (or any other language written in Perso-Arabic script). So Satdeep
and anyone else: Does the content look ok? Are there greater expectations
of what a Wiktionary should contain—expectations we have not communicated,
I will add—or is this project appropriate and acceptable?
Steven
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I am still waiting to hear back from the expert. If he says the rest of
the pages look fine, then I think we can move forward – Steven makes some
good points as usual.
tor. 10. okt. 2019 kl. 21:03 skrev Gerard Meijssen <
gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>gt;:
Hoi,
The final stage is that we verify if the language it is said to be. When
we find it is not or are not certain we have all the room to seek another
authority to move forward. At this stage it becomes confusing and I am not
convinced at all that we should.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 19:21, Steven White <koala19890(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:
This is effectively the same problem as we saw in the discussion of
Montenegrin Wikipedia—although since all but two of us are from Europe,
North America or Israel, we feel more confident making calls in a case like
Montenegrin than we do here. (And, candidly, there is less chance in the
Montenegrin case of being accused of racism/Euro-centrism, even if that
accusation would be totally without merit in this case.)
But as I said back then, the rule as currently written is fine when the
language area starts with a clean slate. If there were no Western Punjabi
Wikipedia now, we could reasonably try to get a single project to try to
accommodate both Western Punjabi and Saraiki. (Whether that effort would be
successful is a different question, but we could try.) However, I take
Satdeep's comment below to indicate that there would be serious problems
trying to integrate a new Saraiki-language community into a ten-year old
Western Punjabi-language community, and that he recommends against it,
based on the current "facts on the ground". Besides, to some extent the
time to say "no" has passed, since Satdeep marked the project as
"eligible"
in 2017. So I think we need to move forward with this.
Steven
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...
As for the Western Punjabi/Saraiki issue, I don't know enough about that
to have any opinion either way.
tir. 8. okt. 2019 kl. 19:00 skrev Satdeep Gill <satdeepgill(a)gmail.com>om>:
...
P.S. Western Punjabi and Saraiki are pretty similar and my personal view
is that this should be accommodated on one Wikipedia but the
sociology-political situation in Pakistan calls for a separate Wikipedia
for Saraiki.
Regards
Satdeep Gill
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