Naturally, if the language is not what it is said to be, we don't approve. My point
was that the time for saying "Saraiki is effectively the same thing as Western
Punjabi" has passed. So assuming the expert ends up verifying the language as
Saraiki, I don't really think we can or should go back and revisit the question of
whether or not this should be integrated into the Western Punjabi project.
Steven
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I am still waiting to hear back from the expert. If he says the rest of the pages look
fine, then I think we can move forward – Steven makes some good points as usual.
tor. 10. okt. 2019 kl. 21:03 skrev Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen@gmail.com<mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>>:
Hoi,
The final stage is that we verify if the language it is said to be. When we find it is not
or are not certain we have all the room to seek another authority to move forward. At this
stage it becomes confusing and I am not convinced at all that we should.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 19:21, Steven White
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This is effectively the same problem as we saw in the discussion of Montenegrin
Wikipedia—although since all but two of us are from Europe, North America or Israel, we
feel more confident making calls in a case like Montenegrin than we do here. (And,
candidly, there is less chance in the Montenegrin case of being accused of
racism/Euro-centrism, even if that accusation would be totally without merit in this
case.)
But as I said back then, the rule as currently written is fine when the language area
starts with a clean slate. If there were no Western Punjabi Wikipedia now, we could
reasonably try to get a single project to try to accommodate both Western Punjabi and
Saraiki. (Whether that effort would be successful is a different question, but we could
try.) However, I take Satdeep's comment below to indicate that there would be serious
problems trying to integrate a new Saraiki-language community into a ten-year old Western
Punjabi-language community, and that he recommends against it, based on the current
"facts on the ground". Besides, to some extent the time to say "no"
has passed, since Satdeep marked the project as "eligible" in 2017. So I think
we need to move forward with this.
Steven
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As for the Western Punjabi/Saraiki issue, I don't know enough about that to have any
opinion either way.
tir. 8. okt. 2019 kl. 19:00 skrev Satdeep Gill
<satdeepgill@gmail.com<mailto:satdeepgill@gmail.com>>:
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P.S. Western Punjabi and Saraiki are pretty similar and my personal view is that this
should be accommodated on one Wikipedia but the sociology-political situation in Pakistan
calls for a separate Wikipedia for Saraiki.
Regards
Satdeep Gill
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