Just to be very German and formally correct, I hereby make the formal
proposal to approve the reopening of Dutch Wikinews.
[Its closure was an idiotic idea in the first place.]
The test-project on Incubator is active for 6 continuous months now, and
the MediaWiki translation in Dutch is always very complete.
2017-05-30 13:12 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen(a)sil.org>rg>:
Thank you, Jan - very helpful!
I herewith drop my opposition to nl.wikinews.org
being re-opened again.
I'm still not convinced that it will be sustainable in the long run - after
all, it has been closed before  - but the requirements have been met.
So, I'm now neutral, i.e. *don't* count me as a yes vote.
On 29-May-17 23:37, Jan van Steenbergen wrote:
The accusation that the main editor is a blocked (ex-)contributor to WP:NL
is incorrect. I take it the person you're hinting at is De Wikischim. Well,
I can tell you this: DW is a long-time Wikipedia editor with an improbably
high number of edits. The problem with him is, in short, that he is unaware
of his own limitations. He has a habit of voicing opinions and editing
articles about subjects he doesn't know anything about, which causes
irritation among several other users. Besides, he is overly present in
discussions about policies, moderators and other meta stuff. At last, his
discussion methods are not appreciated by many (constantly repeating the
same arguments instead of answering questions, ad hominems, starting the
same discussion elsewhere when he can't get his way, etc.). On the other
hand, I should also mention that he is a good-willing, friendly and helpful
person in general, with undeniable linguistic skills, and that the overall
picture of his contributions to WP:NL is still a positive one.
Apart from DW, I can see three others who are active on that project. One
of them I don't know, the other two are unproblematic regular editors of
I don't care much for Wikinews and it is certainly true that the presence
of DW will prevent some other people from editing there (although I doubt
very much if that situation would have been any different without DW).
However, about the people I know I can at least tell you that they are not
likely to suddenly lose interest or something. From that point of view, I'd
say: let the numbers speak for themselves. If there is a rule that says
minimum X months of constant activity by at least Y users, and that
condition has been fulfilled, then there is no reason to make an exception
Otherwise, I'd say: let's see how it evolves. If activity won't fade even
during the next (half) year, then I'd give it a go.
2017-05-29 22:29 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen(a)sil.org>rg>:
Thanks for making us aware of this.
I cannot say that I had a particular opinion to start with, especially
not being familiar with Wikinews. However, having read some guidelines,
particularly on content  and on writing , and then comparing that
with the arguments in the discussion  and what has been posted on
nl:wn/incubator (I do read Dutch!), I have to say that the case does not
1. the accusation that a significant amount of articles is simply copied
from other news outlets (in violation of WN:OR) seems to be accurate.
2. the accusation that the main editor is a blocked (ex-)contributor to
nl:wp seems to be accurate.
3. while this is actually the fourth month that the minimum of three
editors have been active, the competencies needed to keep a distinctive
Wikinews project running do not look promising in this little group.
All of this to say that I am not confident that this project will be
viable if it leaves the Incubator. (And I'm not claiming that it would be
viable in the Incubator either.) I'd be happy to be proven wrong and
convinced otherwise, so I'm all ears.
On 29-May-17 21:08, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
Some people wondered about the state of Dutch Wikinews at
There was already some discussion about it at
and there were different opinions.
I'm neutral about this matter. Does anybody in the committee have a
particular opinion on it?
Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
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