Hoi,
Our policy is one where one person can derail a decision. We have stalemats
aplenty.
It is for the az.wikipedia community to decide what they want. They have an
option to derail their az.wikipedia or not.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 3 May 2015 at 23:50, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
2015-05-03 23:17 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hoi,
It is simple. We have a policy. As a consequence of that policy we did
reject a southern Azeri Wikipedia. We did so because it was included in the
az.wikipedia. Now one administrator decides to force an issue by deleting
articles in the Arabic script. That is not acceptable particularly not
because there was no consensus for him to do so.,
Actually we didn't decide to reject it; the discussion simply fell asleep
because of differing opinions and several unclear things. The request on
Meta is still marked as open.
There is no reason at all to give this silly sod
what he wants. There are
multiple options
- they can restore the articles an the az multi script situation
- they can vote to have a separate Northern ie Latn script Wikipedia
When they have made their choice our policy does deny them the
az,wikipedia because effectively it is a new one., Az is a macro language
code so it is not available.
You do know that the policy says the following?
> The language must be sufficiently unique that
it could not coexist on a
more general wiki. In most cases, this excludes regional
dialects and
different written forms of the same language.
- *The degree of difference required is considered on a case-by-case
basis. The committee does not consider political differences, since the
Wikimedia Foundation's goal is to give every single person free, unbiased
access to the sum of all human knowledge, rather than information from the
viewpoint of individual political communities. <<*
In my opinion, the decision must be made on the basis on mutual
intellegibility between the two versions and on practicability of having
two scripts in one wiki. It seems that it is not practicable here to have
two scripts in one wiki, because of the two versions of the language also
differ.
Also, I'm sure you know that wiki renames are at the moment not possible (<
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T21986>)t;). I see no problem with
creating azb, and then later when it is *at all possible,* one can think
about renaming az to azj as necessary.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 3 May 2015 at 19:41, Michael Everson <everson(a)evertype.com> wrote:
On 3 May 2015, at 07:14, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I have had some more thoughts on this..
My proposal is to have the az.wikipedia community decide what it
wants...
Do they want a Latin only Wikipedia or not. When
If.
they do, there Wikipedia will be renamed to
Northern Azerbaijani and
they will lose the az code.
No! That’s your agenda. Leave it as it is, take the Arabic out and put
it into a new Wiki. That seems to be what the users want. They haven’t said
“We want to relabel the languages”. They’ve said they don’t want to mix
script content.
When
If.
they want to keep Arabic after all, it is no
longer an option for them
to deny content in a legitimate script for their
language.
>
When
If.
we agree that this makes sense in the light of
our policy, we will
inform the board and give the board two weeks to express their
approval.
We will then put it to the az.wp community and it is for them to come
to a
decision they will have to live with. There will not be any other
options considered.
The options are”
1) Do nothing. Keep scripts mixed.
2) Keep
az.wikipedia.org for Latin. This is a national orthography. Add
azb.wikipedia.org or
az-arab.wikipedia.org for the Arabic-script
version, which is used in Iran.
3) As 2) but deprecate
az.wikipedia.org for Latin and make them use
asj.wikipedia.org. This is a bad idea.
Michael Everson *
http://www.evertype.com/
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