On 02-Jul-17 01:45, MF-Warburg wrote:
I also propose to reject <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi
ki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Albanian_Wikinews> as
inactivity is not a valid reason etc., as mentioned by most commenters on
the page as well.
2017-07-02 1:10 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com>om>:
I propose to reject
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi
ki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Marshallese_Wi
kipedia_and_Wiktionary>, <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi
ki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Afar_Wikipedia
,_Wikibooks_and_Wiktionary>, <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi
ki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Hiri_Motu_Wikipedia> and
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_proje
cts/Deletion_of_Venda_Wikipedia_2>. The only reason given for deleting
is that these projects are unlikely to be reopened. Not much value in doing
that was shown, and per
https://phabricator.wikimedia.
org/T168764#3378717 and the page linked from there it seems that such
a deletion would only cause unnecessary technical problems, especially if
by chance one of them should be reopened.
2017-07-02 0:32 GMT+02:00 Robin Pepermans <robinp.1273(a)gmail.com>om>:
> Hi all,
>
> I have hereby closed the more than four years old BetaWikiversity
> merging proposal on procedural grounds. As I wrote there <
>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_proje
> cts/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator> a new one can be opened that
> is a proper proposal and more well-prepared, since the proposal itself
> remains valid and has wide support.
>
> Regards,
> Robin
>
>
> 2017-07-01 8:24 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>om>:
>
>> Hoi,
>> If the WMF is of the opinion that the Language committee is relevant
>> separate from its role as the gatekeeper for new languages and projects, it
>> would help when the name changes necessary to comply fully with standards
>> is honoured. The language committee is unanimous in its longstanding wish
>> for this to happen.
>>
>> Another aspect of the deletion etc of projects is that the
>> feasibility of merging has never been technically assessed as far as I am
>> aware, There is a chance for templates existing in projects to interfere
>> with existing stuff in the Incubator. It is also not clear what happens to
>> the interwiki links. A long held wish is that Incubator is supported for
>> its existing languages in Wikidata. My personal argument is that the links
>> to all kinds of other statements represent links and information that could
>> be in the stub for the article they are writing.
>>
>> Many of the arguments about the deletion of projects like Moldovan
>> have a long history. I do understand why the Language committee could play
>> a role because it has always been fairly separate from what community
>> members have for an opinion. When other members of the LC chime in, we may
>> do something.
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>>
>> On 1 July 2017 at 05:13, Samuel Klein <meta.sj(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
>>> gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hoi,
>>>> To be honest, it is not the task of the language committee to kill
>>>> of projects. At best we may "recommend". At that we strongly
urge the
>>>> Wikimedia Foundation to rename a few projects that are incorrectly
named.
>>>> This does not happen as it does not have the needed priority.
>>>>
>>>
>>> From the perspective of the WMF and the community, at present, a
>>> LangCom recommendation is highly relevant, and where one exists it is AFAIK
>>> followed.
>>>
>>> Moreover, there is no other forum for proposing and discussing such
>>> closures.
>>>
>>> I too encourage the committee to strongly urge closure+migration of
>>> Beta Wikiversity, and deletion+archival-migration? of Moldovan WP/Wikt.
>>>
>>> If LangCom does not *wish* to process closure requests, it's
>>> absolutely up to you to remove that from the LangCom charter and push back
>>> to the community at large. But unless some other group takes up the role,
>>> that limits the committee's ability to correct earlier decisions that
>>> didn't work out.
>>>
>>> SJ
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, there are always people who one way or another want the
>>>> language committee to do whatever. That is fine but it does not mean
that
>>>> the language committee can do much more than its remit.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> GerardM
>>>>
>>>> On 30 June 2017 at 18:38, Steven White <Koala19890(a)hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The community is getting impatient that LangCom is leaving so many
>>>>> items in limbo, especially the Beta Wikiversity proposal. (See
>>>>>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Closing_projects_policy
>>>>> #This_is_not_working.) That proposal passed its fourth
>>>>> anniversary in the last week! In April, you discussed this question,
and
>>>>> seemed on the verge of approving the closure—but then the discussion
was
>>>>> stopped, and no action was taken.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are currently four proposals that have been open for two
>>>>> years or longer, and another two that have been open for over a year.
I
>>>>> strongly urge you to take action at least on those, lest the
community step
>>>>> in and make its own decisions. As a reminder these are:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Move Beta Wikiversity to Incubator
>>>>> - Deletion of Moldovan WIkipedia and Wiktionary (two
>>>>> separate proposals) (already closed and locked)
>>>>> - Deletion of Marshallese projects (already closed and locked)
>>>>> - Closure of Limburgish and Bosnian Wikibooks (two proposals)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd venture to say that there is no groundswell insisting on the
>>>>> Marshallese, Limburgish or Bosnian proposals, and you could easily
close
>>>>> those proposals as "not done" with little fanfare. The
others I cannot
>>>>> really comment on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steven White (StevenJ81)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>>>>>
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