If it turns out the pages in the Wikipedia are actually content in another language/language variation, then it seems like the proper action is to rename and redirect the wiki. But can this be achieved?_______________________________________________在 2020年10月8日週四 11:15，Amir Sarabadani <ladsgroup@gmail.com> 寫道：Two things:* I have asked a friend who studies in Tehran university (top university in humanitarian sciences like linguistics in Iran) to ask his friends to ask their professors to take a look and give their opinion. I will tell them to send their email here. I don't know what they are going to say, I don't even know who that person would be. I hope that's impartial enough.* Actually the attack post gave me a clue. It had a hashtag like "#LakIsLur" or "LakiIsLuri". And this actually helps clear the smoke and mirrors a bit. From the definition of Laki in Wikipedia:Laki; (Kurdish: لەکی, لکي ,Lekî, Persian: لکی) is a vernacular that constitutes of two dialects; Pish-e Kuh Laki and Posht-e Kuh Laki.[6] Laki is considered a Kurdish dialect,[3][7][8][9][10][11][12] by most linguists,[4] while others argue that Laki is closely related to Kurdish but refrain from deciding its place among the Northwestern Iranian languages.[6] Laki has also been classified as a Lur dialect, but speakers of Luri claim that Laki is "difficult or impossible to understand".[7] Linguist Shahsavari argues that Laki is sometimes seen as 'a transitional dialect between Kurdish and Luri'.[13]I think that's why Kurdish people say they understand the wiki while Lur people say they don't. There is a wiki of Laki in incubator actually: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lkiThe Iranian government considers Laki a separate language and not a dialect of Kurdish which Kurdish activists strongly criticized as a way to oppress Kurdish people in Iran by splitting them to subgroups (one of the reason for oppression of Kurdish people is that they are mostly Sunni but Lur and Lak people are mostly Shiite similar to the government's official religion which would explain why some Lak people are insistent to be identified as Lur and not Kurd). I'm sorry this is getting so complicated and convoluted to geopolitical issues and identity matters but that happens with every language, especially in the Middle east (and I don't claim I understand even half of it). At the end, this doesn't matter and I need to wait for the professor to take a look and shed some light on it.ThanksOn Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 2:11 PM Jon Harald Søby <jhsoby@gmail.com> wrote:So sorry you're getting abuse over this Amir, that is really undeserved. Looking through my archives, there was much more discussion than usual about the (Northern) Luri Wikipedia when it was proposed for approval. I think it would be worthwhile for us to try to find independent linguists to confirm that the language is indeed not the one it is purported to be, and add that to the proposal for closure.tir. 6. okt. 2020 kl. 00:15 skrev Amir Sarabadani <ladsgroup@gmail.com>:I don't know where to say this but it seems people are creating attack posts in instagram against me, calling me Pan-Persian and "faggot" and etc. Calling for people to go and write on the page or respond to my tweets saying they understand the wiki.Here's an example: https://www.instagram.com/p/CF15M5insF_/On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 6:52 PM Amir Sarabadani <ladsgroup@gmail.com> wrote:Hey,This is a notification that I started the discussion of closing Northern Luri Wikipedia:I have asked again from different people, and again I got "we don't understand this and we can't read it". Mardetanha independently asked too and he also got the same thing. Funnily enough, some people told me that they don't speak Luri (they are Kuridish or Lak) and they actually can understand the wiki which puts us in the similar situation of scowiki but with no hope that we can fix the wiki.Now some new users are being created to oppose the closure discussion, it seems they are at least meatpuppet: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta:Requests_for_CheckUser_information&oldid=20486626#MogoeilorI also got some private messages that I can share with the committee if needed.Also I ask the committee to reconsider eligibility of Northern Luri Wiknews: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikinews_Northern_LurishBest--Amir (he/him)
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