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I agree with Kimberli on all points. Hijacker proposals and extinct languages not behaving like Latin should be rejected.
Also, if a language is not capable of creating a wp, it follows that we should block wikinews as well.
At the outset, one would think a se.wiktionary.org had a future, since e.g. fr.wiktionary.org has an astonishing se-fr part. Also, if the idea of a monolingual se dictionary would gain ground, se.wiktionary would be a good framework for it. But for now: probably not.
Then to Gerard Meijssens comment " I take it that you mean that they are not eligible. For me that means that we will not approve at a later date.":
Here I disagree. For Northern Luri, I see no reason why a "no" for a wp project today would imply a "no" at a later stage. The language has 4 million speakers, if the world were a place with an equal language policy for all, we would expect it to have a wp version with 500000 articles. This is of course not the case, but at least we should not reject the possibility that some of these 4m speakers would knock on wp's door in the future.
(or perhaps I misread you, and we agree after all). In any case, housekeeping is a useful activity.
Trond
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2. Re: Some housekeeping (Gerard Meijssen)
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From: Kimberli Mäkäräinen <kimberli.makarainen@tuni.fi>
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Hei! Sorry for the long mail.
Since the Northern Luri wp was closed, I think it would make sense to reject the remaining Northern Luri proposal on meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikinews_Northern_Lurish. Also the "Sumerian" incubator (Wp/sux) is back and should be nuked again and this request rejected<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Shumerian>.
This Wiktionary has no proposal<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wt/yux>, but it was created by a notorious "Wiki hijacker" (to use a term from last week's Arctic Knot conference) who did not know the languages he was supposedly saving so I say nuke it. The wp version of this has already been nuked.
Other proposals that would be sensible to reject:
1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ter_Sami
2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Tundra_Yukaghir
This proposal for Norn was rejected since it's extinct and has very few written sources<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Norn>, which makes me wonder if this is written in actual Norn or some version of Nynorn or some other language: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wp/nrn
I think that the Northern Saami wiktionary project should probably also be nuked and buried as a lot of it was created by someone with no grasp of the language (cf. "Wiki hijacker"), but I'll ask around in the community if there is any reason they think it should be saved.
mvh.
-K
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From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>
Subject: [Langcom] Re: Some housekeeping
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Hoi,
I take it that you mean that they are not eligible. For me that means that
we will not approve at a later date.
The proposals in your mail.. OK
Thanks,
GerardM
On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 at 04:32, Kimberli Mäkäräinen <
kimberli.makarainen@tuni.fi> wrote:
> Hei! Sorry for the long mail.
>
> Since the Northern Luri wp was closed, I think it would make sense to
> reject the remaining Northern Luri proposal on meta:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikinews_Northern_Lurish
> . Also the "Sumerian" incubator (Wp/sux) is back and should be nuked
> again and this request rejected
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Shumerian>
> .
>
> This Wiktionary has no proposal
> <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wt/yux>, but it was
> created by a notorious "Wiki hijacker" (to use a term from last week's
> Arctic Knot conference) who did not know the languages he was supposedly
> saving so I say nuke it. The wp version of this has already been nuked.
>
> Other proposals that would be sensible to reject:
>
> 1.
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ter_Sami
> 2.
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Tundra_Yukaghir
>
>
> This proposal for Norn was rejected since it's extinct and has very few
> written sources
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Norn>,
> which makes me wonder if this is written in actual Norn or some version of
> Nynorn or some other language:
> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wp/nrn
>
> I think that the Northern Saami wiktionary project should probably also be
> nuked and buried as a lot of it was created by someone with no grasp of the
> language (cf. "Wiki hijacker"), but I'll ask around in the community if
> there is any reason they think it should be saved.
>
> mvh.
> -K
>
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