Hoi,
At the time we accepted Egyptian, there was quite some ruckus because it
was considered politically incorrect to accept this.
Now that we have a request for "Algerian Arabic", it is prudent to ask what
our position is. I am all in favour by the way..
Thanks,
Gerard
Hi,
The thing I feared has happened: A conflict erupted in the Azeri Wikipedia
over the question of whether articles in Arabic script should be there, or
only in Latin. A consensus was not reached, but an administrator decided to
delete thousands of pages in the Arabic script nevertheless.
This is a very severe action, and I suspect that that administrator's
permissions should be suspended, but that's a matter for Meta stewards.
I raise this question here, because a proper long-term solution for the
problem is needed.
As a reminder, the Azeri language is written in two scripts: Latin in the
Republic of Azerbaijan, and Arabic in the Azerbaijan region in Northern
Iran. As far as I know, both are actively used, and the users of each
script cannot read the other one.
Automatic conversion between the two scripts, as it is done for Kazakh and
Serbian, is impossible, because the Latin orthography doesn't include
capital letters and vowels.
Until recently, the two scripts somehow lived together in the same wiki,
despite the major technical problems with it, among them:
* The users of the different alphabets cannot really have common
conversations ("Village Pump").
* Only one article can be linked using Wikidata (to resolve this, major
changes are needed in MediaWiki core and in Wikidata)
* Be default the Latin script is used for the UI, which is not useful for
anonymous readers who want to use the Arabic script.
* The two scripts have different directionality, and this requires adding
markup to show the pages correctly.
But as I wrote above, now this long period of peace has ended, and
unfortunately there is a major conflict.
In the past we already discussed the possibility of creating a separate
Wikipedia in the Arabic script:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_South_…
IIRC, we decided not to support it, but I'd like to discuss this again. My
impression is that there are good-faith contributors who want to write in
the Arabic script, and now they are essentially expelled, and this is wrong.
Other opinions are welcome.
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I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
Hi, folks.
I'm drawing your attention to this request:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Goan_K…
It seems to me it is a matter for this committee and for the existing
community of Devanagari Konkani (apparently partially overlapping with the
Latin Konkani contributor base!) to determine. I.e. whether Latin articles
should live in gom.wikipedia.org alongside Devanagari or not, and if not,
whether a separate Latin Konkani Wikipedia is warranted, or whether a
script-transliteration gadget like the Serbian one is possible.
A.
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Dear fellow committee members,
With Dr. Mehdi Moshkriz' response - for which many thanks! -, the issue of
Northern Luri wikipedia has been solved to my satisfaction. If any of you
have remaining issues concerning verification of the content of Northern
Luri articles in the incubator, please direct these to Dr. Mehdi Moshkriz
until Monday, June 8th. I propose, if a) no issues will have been
forthcoming until then and/or b) any questions which were posted have been
answered, that Northern Luri be transferred from the incubator to its own
wikipedia domain.
Thanks,
Oliver
On 30-May-15 12:29 PM, Mehdi Moshkriz wrote:
> Dear Language Committee Wikimedia,
> This is to certify that the articles which written by Mr. Mohammad
Mogoei and his other colleagues (Mogoeilor, Lurvand, Bonevarluri,
Sajadlor & Mehramooz) are linguistic and semantic correct and complete.
> My name's Mehdi Moshkriz. I am an assistant professor for Linguistics.
My area of specialization is Lori language and New-west Iranian
Dialects. Prof Dr. Erok Anonby and Prof. Dr. Oliver Stegen demand me to
verify and overview these articles.
> Therefore, I highly verify these Luri articles of Wikimedia because in
my opinion these articles are written carefully, correctly and
thoroughly.
> Please do not hesitate to contact me if any further information is needed.
>
> Your Sincerely,
> Mehdi Moshkriz, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor of Linguistics
> _______________________________________________
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> Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org
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Dear Language Committee Wikimedia, This is to certify that the articles which written by Mr. MohammadMogoei and his other colleagues (Mogoeilor, Lurvand, Bonevarluri,Sajadlor & Mehramooz) are linguistic and semantic correct andcomplete.My name's Mehdi Moshkriz. I am an assistant professor forLinguistics. My area of specialization is Lori language and New-west IranianDialects. Prof Dr. Erok Anonby and Prof. Dr. Oliver Stegen demand me to verifyand overview these articles.Therefore, I highly verify these Luri articles of Wikimedia becausein my opinion these articles are written carefully, correctly and thoroughly.Please do not hesitate to contact me if any further information isneeded. Your Sincerely,Mehdi Moshkriz, Ph.D.AssistantProfessor of Linguistics
Hi,
I ask langcom members for approval of Luri Wikipedia,
here are some top articles I could list, but there are more of them
1. استیو جابز
</wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2>
(Steve Jobs)
2. آلورت انیشتین
</wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86>
(Albert Einstein)
3. کلمبیا </wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7> (Colombia)
4. شهید چمران
</wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86>
(Mostafa Chamran)
5. شایا عیلامی
</wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C>
(List of rulers of Elam)
6. کارلوس فوئنتس
</wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3>
(Carlos Fuentes)
Analysis
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wik…>
shows that this project has enough users and most of mediawiki message
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has been
translated.
Hoi,
FYI we have a technical issue with Serbian.. The codes that are used are
wrong. They have been chosen for whatever reason but technically they are
only distinguishing Serbian in Latin and Cyrillic script. We cannot
identify in this way and use instead dialectal differences. Technically
this is wrong and it may become an argument in future to split Serbian.
Correct codes would be sr-Cyrl and sr-Latn
Thanks is for trying to diffuse the Northern Luri thing.
:)
Gerard