Hallo!
I am going through
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Open_requests_for_new_languages ,
project by project, letter by letter, up to ten requests per email, one
email per day.
I am now working on Wikipedia, and today I'm handling the letter D.
== Dangme ==
Request:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Dangme
Code: ada
My take: Eligible. There hasn't been any activity since the request, but I
happen to know one of the people behind in real life, so I know that this
is authentic and not "drive by".
== Dobrujan Tatar ==
Request:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Dobruj…
Code: none (but crh-ro is used in practice)
My take: Not eligible because there's no ISO code, but I have no strong
reason to flatly reject it either. The language probably exists—there's an
English Wikipedia article about it at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobrujan_Tatar . I also saw other website
about it and in it, and it definitely looks living. It also looks at least
culturally distinct from other Turkic languages, and, although I cannot
make a judgment about it without consulting a third-party expert, it may be
linguistically unique, too. According to the request page, the requester
asked ISO for a new code. We can probably wait patiently until that request
is processed, so "waiting" looks like a good status in this case.
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“We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
Hallo!
I took the liberty to mark this Wikipedia request as ineligible:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_South_…
It fails the uniqueness criterion, and it was also created by a blocked
user who didn't do much else.
I opted not to delete, but it had a bit of a discussion by other users, so
it's OK to archive it.
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Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
http://aharoni.wordpress.com
“We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
[ resending - I sent it to a wrong mailing list earlier ]
Hallo!
I am going through
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Open_requests_for_new_languages ,
project by project, letter by letter, up to ten requests per email, one
email per day.
I am now working on Wikipedia, and today I'm handling the letter H.
Most of the requests today happen to be quite complicated, and I don't have
a clear take on them. If this particular thread doesn't resolve them in a
week, I'll make separate threads for each request, so that there will be a
chance for proper discussion.
== Hadauti / Hadothi ==
Request:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Hadauti
Code: hoj
My take: Probably eligible, but I'd love to hear more opinions. It is a
part of macro-language Rajasthani (raj), and there's also a request of
Rajasthani:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Rajast…
. I don't know enough about Indo-Aryan languages to make a decision here.
== Hanja ==
Request:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Hanja_3
Code: ko-kore (according to the request)
My take: Not eligible. I don't know Korean, but to the best of my
understanding, Hanja is occasionally used in books and newspapers, and it
is similarly used in the Korean Wikipedia. Wider usage of Hanja is
outdated, and comparable to Polytonic Greek or pre-1918 Russian. The
request says that it should be eligible for the same reason that Mongolian
in Mongolian script is eligible (
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Mongol…
), but this comparison is not valid: Mongolian in Cyrillic and in Mongolian
script may represent the same language (and I'm actually not even sure
about that), but the scripts are completely different, and both are
currently widely used for general-purpose writing by different (and only
partly overlapping) groups of people, whereas Hanja has not been used for
general-purpose writing for several decades. If this factually wrong, or if
this is factually correct, but you have a different conclusion, I'm happy
to hear it.
== Hassaniya ==
Request:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Hassan…
Code: mey
My take: Eligible. I haven't seen any claims that it is the same as another
Arabic variety.
== Hijazi ==
Request:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Hijazi…
Code: acw
My take: Not sure. In speech, it's probably different from Standard Arabic,
but it doesn't appear to be written much, unlike Moroccan (ary) and, to a
certain extent, Levantine (apc). It also appears to be somewhat similar to
Levantine (apc), but I am not saying that it's completely the same. In
addition, there is almost no content in the Incubator, the request text is
quite generic, and the request creator didn't do very much except posting
the request. So I'm not inclined to mark it as eligible. Perhaps it can be
"waiting" or simply "rejected", until a more serious requestor comes.
== Hindko ==
Request:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Hindko
Code: hnd
My take: I'm inclined to reject it on procedural grounds, even though a
better-written request can become eligible. The current request says
"Hindko" and gives the code hnd, which is for Southern Hindko, and as far
as I can see in the literature, e.g. Elena Bashir's "A Descriptive Grammar
of Hindko, Panjabi, and Saraiki", Northern (Peshawar and Hazara) have a
(relatively) more established written standard. There are Incubators in
both Northern (hno) and Southern (hnd) Hindko, but both have almost no
content. The request creator hasn't been active for a long time, and
doesn't claim knowledge of Hindko on the user page (
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Open_requests_for_new_languages ).
Finally, there's no actual text in the request to explain the intention.
Given all this, I prefer to reject this request with a comment saying that
a person who can actually speak and write it is welcome to make a new
request with a clear name code and a description of their intention to
which variety to use, etc.
== Hindustani ==
Request:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Hindus…
Code: -
My take: Not eligible. The easy procedural response is that there is no ISO
code. However, the request has a detailed rationale, which deserves a
detailed reply. "Hindustani" is a common name for Urdu and Hindi, which are
similar, but have separate written traditions. The rationale in the request
says that the current Urdu and Hindi Wikipedias are written in a high
register that is hard for many people to understand. This problem may be
real, and I heard similar things from some other people, but that should be
resolved within those two communities and not by creating a new wiki, which
may make things even more complicated.
== Ho ==
Request:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ho
Code: hoc
My take: Eligible.
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Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
http://aharoni.wordpress.com
“We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
Hallo!
I am going through
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Open_requests_for_new_languages ,
project by project, letter by letter, up to ten requests per email, one
email per day.
I am now working on Wikipedia, and today I'm handling the letter J.
== Jju ==
Request:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Jju
Code: kaj
My take: Eligible. The English Wikipedia quotes one linguist who thinks
that the separation between Jju (kaj) and Tyap (kcg), in which there
already is a Wikipedia, is "an ethnic rather than a linguistic reality". If
that's true, then it doesn't pass the "sufficiently unique" test. However,
I saw some texts in both languages, and even though I don't know them at
all, they look quite different to me. Does anyone disagree?
== Jutish / Jutlandic ==
Request:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Jutish
Code: jut
My take: I'm not sure. I can think of two options:
1. Not eligible because according to https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/jut ,
the standards body now considers this language as Historical: it had some
written literature in the past, but now it's classified as a dialect of
Danish. So procedurally, it can be said to be in more or less the same
status as Akkadian, Ancient Greek, and Ottoman Turkish.
2. Borderline eligible because the code kind of does exist, the dialect is
living in speech (albeit I don't know how different is it from standard
Danish), and some people seem to be trying to write it seriously even
though ISO 639 says that it's no longer written. Perhaps our members who
know Germanic languages better than I do can weigh in or find an expert who
can consult on the matter. The English Wikipedia article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jutlandic mentions some cultural and research
institutions that work with this dialect.
If no one else thinks that option 2 deserves a chance, I'm fine with
rejecting.
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Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
http://aharoni.wordpress.com
“We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
Hallo!
I am going through
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Open_requests_for_new_languages ,
project by project, letter by letter, up to ten requests per email, one
email per day.
I am now working on Wikipedia, and today I'm handling the letter I.
Incidentally or not, the English names of all the languages here begin with
the prefix "Inter", so I'll paste the policy on artificial languages for
convenience:
=================================
If the proposal is for an artificial language such as Esperanto, it must
have a reasonable degree of recognition as determined by discussion. (Some
recognition criteria include, but are not limited to: independently proved
number of speakers, use as an auxiliary language outside of online
communities created solely for the purpose, usage outside of Wikimedia,
publication of works in the language for general sale.)
=================================
I'll also throw in one Wikibooks request to round up the letter I.
== Interglossa Wikipedia ==
Request:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Interg…
Code: igs
My take: Not eligible. The request lists several examples of usage, but as
far as I can see, all of them are online communities created solely for the
purpose, which is explicitly mentioned as not enough for eligibility. Also,
some of them appear to be about Glosa, which is a related, but separate
auxiliary language project (which doesn't have an ISO 639 code).
== Interlingue Wikibooks ==
Request:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikibooks_Interl…
Code: ie
My take: Eligible, though barely. Some books were published in it in the
past, so I guess it satisfies the "publication of works in the language for
general sale" condition.
== International Sign Wikipedia ==
Request:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Intern…
Code: ils
My take: Delete, unless the request creator responds to my questions at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sdf&oldid=27587988#R…
. The language is theoretically eligible, but with absolutely no details in
the request page, it's unclear how will this project work, and it's as if
it hasn't been filed at all.
== Interslavic Wikipedia ==
Request:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Inters…
Code: isv
My take: Eligible, though also barely. According to the policy, the online
communities dedicated to it are not enough by themselves, but I do have to
admit that they are surprisingly lively. (And although I can't emphasize
strongly enough that this is _*NOT*_ a consideration for or against
eligibility, I will say that because I know Russian, I can understand
everything that is written in them.) In a previous email on the topic, I
noted that I haven't seen evidence that there is published content in this
language, but now I see that this language has been used in films, music,
and books that seem to be independent of the original creator, so I guess
it satisfies the "publication of works in the language for general sale"
condition. I do have to express doubt that a Wikipedia in this language
will be sustainable in the long term, but I cannot find any procedural
reason to mark the request as ineligible.
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Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
http://aharoni.wordpress.com
“We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore