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Re: [Langcom] Fwd: Reviewing Santali Wikipedia content
by Steven White 28 Jun '18

28 Jun '18

I assume, then, that this project is now approved, so I will get it underway. Steven Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 17:24:50 +0000 From: Satdeep Gill <satdeepgill(a)gmail.com> To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee <langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: [Langcom] Fwd: Reviewing Santali Wikipedia content Message-ID: <CY4PR22MB058416A9AE2B358BC3DD078AA6480(a)CY4PR22MB0584.namprd22.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Finally. We got a Santali expert to review our Santali content. Ganesh Murmu is an Associate Professor at Department of Tribal and Regional Languages, Ranchi University, Ranchi, Jharkhand, India. I sent him 3 randomly selected articles and he says that the translation is of very good quality. Best Satdeep From: Ganesh Murmu Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 10:29 PM Subject: Re: Reviewing Santali Wikipedia content To: Satdeep Gill Dear Satdeep Gill, Thank you very much for your mail and for forwarding articles from Santali Wikipedia incubator project work. I have gone through the articles and confirmed that the language written on pages is Santali language in Ol Chiki script, I found translation works is good, I am confident that it is perfectly fine for the community to use Ol Chiki script like the portal site of Vikaspedia in Ol Chiki . The Santals people institutionally recognize and support Ol Chiki script for the writing and teaching of Santali. With regards, Ganesh Murmu Associate Professor in Santali On 6/27/18, Satdeep Gill wrote: > Hi sir, > I am a part of the Wikipedia's Language Committee and since you are a Santali expert, we need you to help us in reviewing the following articles from Santali Wikipedia incubator project: > > > 1. Leonardo da Vinci > > > 2. Thomas Edison > > > 3. Abdul Kalam > > > You just need to confirm that the language written on pages mentioned above is indeed Santali and also if it is perfectly fine for the community to use Ol Chiki script? > > > Looking forward to hearing from you. > > > Best > > > Satdeep Gill > > > Member, > > > Language Committee > > -- Ganesh Murmu Department of Tribal and Regional Languages, Vinoba Bhave University, Hazaribag - 825 301, Jharkhand, India Tel: +919939576547; 8986895429 Fax:+916512224466 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 20:44:55 +0300 From: "Amir E. Aharoni" <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee <langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Langcom] Fwd: Reviewing Santali Wikipedia content Message-ID: <CACtNa8tt=P_+bLpmVO33N8k2q5ghcVgSvMJfHDLmiAVvrm01OA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Sounds good! _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wik… ------------------------------ End of Langcom Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17 ***************************************

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Fwd: Reviewing Santali Wikipedia content
by Satdeep Gill 27 Jun '18

27 Jun '18

Finally. We got a Santali expert to review our Santali content. Ganesh Murmu is an Associate Professor at Department of Tribal and Regional Languages, Ranchi University, Ranchi, Jharkhand, India. I sent him 3 randomly selected articles and he says that the translation is of very good quality. Best Satdeep From: Ganesh Murmu Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 10:29 PM Subject: Re: Reviewing Santali Wikipedia content To: Satdeep Gill Dear Satdeep Gill, Thank you very much for your mail and for forwarding articles from Santali Wikipedia incubator project work. I have gone through the articles and confirmed that the language written on pages is Santali language in Ol Chiki script, I found translation works is good, I am confident that it is perfectly fine for the community to use Ol Chiki script like the portal site of Vikaspedia in Ol Chiki . The Santals people institutionally recognize and support Ol Chiki script for the writing and teaching of Santali. With regards, Ganesh Murmu Associate Professor in Santali On 6/27/18, Satdeep Gill wrote: > Hi sir, > > > I am a part of the Wikipedia's Language Committee and since you are a > Santali expert, we need you to help us in reviewing the following articles > from Santali Wikipedia incubator project: > > > 1. Leonardo da > Vinci > > > 2. Thomas > Edison > > > 3. Abdul > Kalam > > > You just need to confirm that the language written on pages mentioned above > is indeed Santali and also if it is perfectly fine for the community to use > Ol Chiki script? > > > Looking forward to hearing from you. > > > Best > > > Satdeep Gill > > > Member, > > > Language Committee > > -- Ganesh Murmu Department of Tribal and Regional Languages, Vinoba Bhave University, Hazaribag - 825 301, Jharkhand, India Tel: +919939576547; 8986895429 Fax:+916512224466

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Re: [Langcom] Project requests marked "eligible" that never had a test created
by Steven White 26 Jun '18

26 Jun '18

OK. Those proposals marked "eligible" I will leave alone. Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 07:59:21 +0300 From: Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen(a)sil.org> To: Langcom <langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Langcom] Project requests marked "eligible" that never had a test created As far as I understand, 'eligible' only means that the language in the proposal has an ISO 639-3 code. I agree with Gerard that eligibility is not affected by staleness. Theoretically, a proposal can remain open for as long as someone works on it sporadically (or if enough content has been created), even if it doesn't fulfill the other requirements to go live. In that case, such a proposal would just stay in the incubator. (I wouldn't be surprised if there are projects that are happy to stay in the incubator - I myself have one of those, namely lag:wt) Fwiw, Oliver On 20-Jun-18 00:36, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > As always, eligible means that when people put in the effort and it is > proven to be that language it will be approved. Stale imho only means > that a past attempt was not succesful so that we do not have to > continually monitor it. Eligibility is not affected by staleness. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 19 June 2018 at 23:14, Steven White <Koala19890(a)hotmail.com > <mailto:Koala19890@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > Hi. Please see this comment > <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wiki…> > on Meta. > > > Contributors pointed out three cases in which a request was marked > "eligible" (usually long ago), but where a test project was never > started. Question I have for you is: Should I leave them alone, or > change them to "rejected as stale"? > > > I can go either way on this. If we were evaluating them now, we'd > close them as stale. But my big concern in trying to process all > of these requests is to try to clear the backlog of "discussion" > and "on hold" requests, because those make us appear as if we're > not doing anything. There are many old requests with the status of > "eligible" because people work on them only sporadically. In a > sense, these are no different. > > > I'd appreciate some opinions on this. > > Steven > > > Sent from Outlook <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fw…> > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org>

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Proposal to close Finnish Wikinews
by Steven White 25 Jun '18

25 Jun '18

Please see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_F…. To me, this proposal has proved very, very similar to the one for closing Norwegian Wikinews last November. (See archives from then.) To me, the solution is the same: Soft close, so that (a) WMF is not embarrassed by the very outdated "news" showing on the front page there, while (b) keeping the project open and available in case someone wants to revive it in the future. That's my suggestion, and I'm starting a seven-day clock on this now. Please provide comments or suggestions. Steven Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>

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Project requests marked "eligible" that never had a test created
by Steven White 25 Jun '18

25 Jun '18

Hi. Please see this comment<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Some_old_requests_t…'t_have_Incubator_tests_but_also_%E2%80%9Celigible%E2%80%9D> on Meta. Contributors pointed out three cases in which a request was marked "eligible" (usually long ago), but where a test project was never started. Question I have for you is: Should I leave them alone, or change them to "rejected as stale"? I can go either way on this. If we were evaluating them now, we'd close them as stale. But my big concern in trying to process all of these requests is to try to clear the backlog of "discussion" and "on hold" requests, because those make us appear as if we're not doing anything. There are many old requests with the status of "eligible" because people work on them only sporadically. In a sense, these are no different. I'd appreciate some opinions on this. Steven Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>

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Approval of Santali Wikipedia
by Steven White 22 Jun '18

22 Jun '18

A member of the community provided links to some potential language experts: * http://www.nou.nic.in/santalifac.htm * http://www.visvabharati.ac.in/FacultyList.html This has been sitting open for a while, so if someone can work on this right away it would be good. Thanks. Steven Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>

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Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 (third set)
by Steven White 21 Jun '18

21 Jun '18

Wikipedia Chakma<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Chakma> (ccp): Spoken by about 330,000 people in Bangladesh and India. Incubator project has had some activity recently. Marking as eligible. A Wiktionary request<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wiktionary_Chakma> was opened at the same time and has a single page of Incubator content only. I will place that request on hold. Wikipedia Vorarlbergerisch<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Vorarl…>: This is a dialect of High Alemannic having no separate language code. There are pages in this dialect<https://als.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Artikel_uf_Vorarlb%C3%A4rgisch> within Alemannic Wikipedia. I will wait a few days for comments, but I intend to reject (encouraging contributions to be made on Alemannic Wikipedia instead). Wikipedia Choctaw<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Choctaw> (cho): Technically a request for a reopening, as a project in this North American indigenous language was closed and moved to Incubator about ten years ago. Eligible. Steven Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>

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Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 (first group)
by Steven White 20 Jun '18

20 Jun '18

Romanized Persian (fa-latn) (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Romani… and also https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wp/pes): I put a freeze on a test project on Incubator, and strongly encouraged contributor to either (a) try to get a converter on fawiki or (b) run the project in Wikia. Contributor has not returned since the one day when s/he was active, nor is there evidence the contributor ever went to Incubator Plus to start a project. In the meantime, I don't see evidence that there is a strong need for a project like this to the extent of overriding normal policy. I will wait a week for comments from the committee, but intend to reject. Khorasani Turkic<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Khoras…> (kmz): In theory, the language ought to be eligible. But the test is written in a Romanized form, which neither Ethnologue nor the enwiki article shows as an ordinary variant. Thoughts? Sonsorol<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Sonsor…> (sov): 400 speakers, language in Palau. No content has been created. Putting on hold. Middle Irish<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Middle…> (mga): Historical language, and no content was created. Rejecting. Dimasa<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Dimasa> (dis): Language of northeast India with about 110,000 speakers. No content was created. Putting on hold. Steven Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>

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Noongar Wikipedia
by Steven White 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

User:OosWesThoesBes, who is a sysop and active contributor on Incubator and Multilingual Wikisource, has been collaborating with User:Gnangarra of the Noongar project. They make the following comment and suggestion: The main issue here seems to lie in two things: 1. the desire to spread/record knowledge of the local culture; 2. the inability of many tribal people (no offense meant, I'm not from Australia, nor am I a native English speaker, so please do correct my terminology [I'd use "aboriginal"–SJW]) to speak or understand the Nyungar language fluently. A simple solution to this would be the creation of a separate namespace in which English translations are provided, while the pages themselves are written in Nyungar. This will keep the main namespace free of English, while the knowledge to the culture is still available to those interested, who are not able to understand or have difficulty understanding the language itself. This way, the Wikipedia can be used both to spread the knowledge of the Nyungar culture, as well as providing a base for a broad encyclopedia written in the Nyungar language about all subjects. In response to a question from MF-Warburg, Gnangarra promises that all articles will be completely written in Nyungar as well as in English. And OosWesThoesBes has committed to help with the implementation. It seems to me that this solution would satisfy LangCom's requirement that the project be written in Nyungar, as well as the community's desire that there also be English available to support wider dissemination of information. I'd request the Committee's comments/opinions on this idea. Steven Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>

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Re: [Langcom] Khorasani Turkic (was Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 (first group)
by Steven White 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

At this point, then, we have one member (Michael) who would support eligibility and one (Gerard) who would oppose. Are there any other opinions on this? (Please keep in mind that this project is nowhere near approvability.) Steven Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ From: Langcom <langcom-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org> on behalf of langcom-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org <langcom-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 10:45 AM To: langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Langcom Digest, Vol 57, Issue 8 Send Langcom mailing list submissions to langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wik… or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to langcom-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at langcom-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Langcom digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 (first group) (Gerard Meijssen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 16:45:01 +0200 From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee <langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 (first group) Message-ID: <CAO53wxWL2eMiXd+6B0QfAZR0BGyz0ko1Rb5To6gxb7Ee+kKfpQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hoi, The point of eligibility is that when it is eligible it will mean that all other requirements are fulfilled, a new project will start. This does not apply in this situation. We do not tell Incubator what to do. We do tell them that a project has a prospect or not for the creation of a full project. Thanks, GerardM On 13 June 2018 at 16:34, Steven White <Koala19890(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Gerard, your opinion puts me into a difficult situation. The formal > "Requests for new languages" page does not specifically request a > Latin-alphabet project. It simply requests a project. The language has > enough speakers to be eligible by policy. Unless somebody checks out the > project and tells me that what is written is not Khorasani Turkic at all, > the project has enough activity to be eligible by policy. And under normal > circumstances it is not our role to tell a community in Incubator how to > run its project. > > > For these reasons, I don't really see a policy-based justification for not > marking this request "eligible". The test is not so active that it will get > anywhere near approvability any time soon. So I think for now, we have to > mark it eligible. And if and when it comes up for approval, we can decide > what to do at that point. > > > Steven > > > Sent from Outlook <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fw…> > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Langcom <langcom-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org> on behalf of > langcom-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org <langcom-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 13, 2018 3:15 AM > *To:* langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org > *Subject:* Langcom Digest, Vol 57, Issue 5 > > Send Langcom mailing list submissions to > langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > https%3A%2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo% > 2Flangcom&data=02%7C01%7C%7C106a2fb40f1c436e626308d5d0fd7a66% > 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636644709450280769&sdata=4% > 2BFo0uj%2BhrGb%2FOx9Zz9485czTIZo78X%2FtnpJVDbr96Y%3D&reserved=0 > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > langcom-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > langcom-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Langcom digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 (first > group) (Steven White) > 2. Re: Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 (first > group) (Gerard Meijssen) > 3. Chinese (Gerard Meijssen) > 4. Re: Chinese (Jon Harald Søby) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 15:21:54 +0000 > From: Steven White <Koala19890(a)hotmail.com> > To: "langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org" <langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 > (first group) > Message-ID: > <BLUPR12MB06918710F000146977737EB59E7F0@BLUPR12MB0691. > namprd12.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I think the difference between this case and the "Romanized Persian" > situation is that in the "Romanized Persian" case, there is already an > active, solid project in Persian. Thus, anyone wanting to create this > project has to work through the Persian Wikipedia community to make this > happen. In the case of Khorasani Turkic, there is nothing else created in > this language. And the language is inherently eligible. So I think by > policy I need to mark it eligible. By the time it comes to approve the > project, if ever, one of the following will have happened: > > * Because the general script of the language is Perso-Arabic, people > will have come along and changed the content to that script. > * That doesn't happen, but there is evidence of a community that will > make use of the project in Latin script. > * Some combination of the above, where they will have worked out a > modus vivendi between the two while the test is still in Incubator. > > For that reason, I'm not too worried about marking it "eligible". > > Steven > > > Sent from Outlook<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnam01.saf…. > com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fweboutlook&data=02%7C01%7C% > 7C106a2fb40f1c436e626308d5d0fd7a66%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa > aaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636644709450280769&sdata=%2B6Re4HJQKCuiR2lhiKUosISNSvyCl > y7vrLNm45Mg7iw%3D&reserved=0> > > > ________________________________ > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 20:29:52 +0200 > From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee > <langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 > (first group) > Message-ID: > <CAO53wxWRPL4TC8UpO3e1tFUe-bX0arSQEPRiU_MDw5B27RqZKg@ > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hoi, > It only makes sense to do so when there is a public. It is not a hobby. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 6 June 2018 at 19:37, Michael Everson <siorrai(a)evertype.com> wrote: > > > I have no objection to a Roman alphabet version of editors wish to create > > one. > > > > > On 6 Jun 2018, at 16:17, Steven White <Koala19890(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Khorasani Turkic (kmz): In theory, the language ought to be eligible. > > But the test is written in a Romanized form, which neither Ethnologue nor > > the enwiki article shows as an ordinary variant. Thoughts? > > > > > >

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Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 (second group)
by Steven White 13 Jun '18

13 Jun '18

Wikipedia Lishan Didan<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lishan…> (trg): Modern Jewish Aramaic dialect from the Caucasus, now mostly spoken in Israel, with about 4500 speakers. No content has been created, so I am placing on hold. Wikipedia Gronings<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Gronin…> (gos) and Wikipedia East Frisian Low Saxon<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_East_F…> (frs): These are two requests from the same individual. So far, each of these tests has only a one-sentence main page on Incubator. These languages are both part of the dialect continuum in Low Saxon/Low German, even though each has its own language code. The claim is made that they are quite similar to each other, but different enough from other dialects that they don't fit into either Low German Wikipedia<https://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:H%C3%B6%C3%B6ftsiet> or Dutch Low Saxon Wikipedia<https://nds-nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6%C3%A4rblad>. That seems a little hard for me to believe, especially given that there is a small Gronings section<https://nds-nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portoal:Grunnen> of the Dutch Low Saxon project. I'm going to wait for some comments from the Committee on these. My opinion is (a) we should probably reject them both, on the grounds that the language space is adequately covered within the two existing projects, but (b) if you want to make these eligible, that they be made eligible as a merged test. (The requester would be amenable to that solution.) Wikipedia Pu-Xian Min<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Pu-Xia…> (cpx): Clearly eligible, and I will mark it so. Wikipedia Amis<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Amis> (ami): This is an indigenous language of Taiwan, spoken by 180,000 people. The enwiki article describes it as a dialect cluster. There is some controversy around whether Sakizaya is part of this cluster or not, and a group running a Sakizaya test on Incubator is working on a submission to SIL for 2018, supported by the Taiwan government. But there is no controversy about Amis itself, and the test is active. So this is eligible, and I will mark it so. Steven Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>

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Chinese
by Gerard Meijssen 13 Jun '18

13 Jun '18

Hoi, Chinese is special because the difference between the various flavours of Chinese are handled in software, not in translatewiki. It works for both the localisation and the text. A question was raised if the Language committee needs to provide permission for specific versions of Chinese eg Hong Kong or Singapore Chinese. It means that in code characters are replaced by others.. In my opinion this is no different from having American, British, Australian articles in the English Wikipedia and consequently I think that we do not have to give our agreement. Do you all concur? Thanks, GerardM

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Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 (first group)
by Steven White 13 Jun '18

13 Jun '18

Gerard, your opinion puts me into a difficult situation. The formal "Requests for new languages" page does not specifically request a Latin-alphabet project. It simply requests a project. The language has enough speakers to be eligible by policy. Unless somebody checks out the project and tells me that what is written is not Khorasani Turkic at all, the project has enough activity to be eligible by policy. And under normal circumstances it is not our role to tell a community in Incubator how to run its project. For these reasons, I don't really see a policy-based justification for not marking this request "eligible". The test is not so active that it will get anywhere near approvability any time soon. So I think for now, we have to mark it eligible. And if and when it comes up for approval, we can decide what to do at that point. Steven Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ From: Langcom <langcom-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org> on behalf of langcom-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org <langcom-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 3:15 AM To: langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Langcom Digest, Vol 57, Issue 5 Send Langcom mailing list submissions to langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wik… or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to langcom-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at langcom-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Langcom digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 (first group) (Steven White) 2. Re: Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 (first group) (Gerard Meijssen) 3. Chinese (Gerard Meijssen) 4. Re: Chinese (Jon Harald Søby) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 15:21:54 +0000 From: Steven White <Koala19890(a)hotmail.com> To: "langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org" <langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 (first group) Message-ID: <BLUPR12MB06918710F000146977737EB59E7F0(a)BLUPR12MB0691.namprd12.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think the difference between this case and the "Romanized Persian" situation is that in the "Romanized Persian" case, there is already an active, solid project in Persian. Thus, anyone wanting to create this project has to work through the Persian Wikipedia community to make this happen. In the case of Khorasani Turkic, there is nothing else created in this language. And the language is inherently eligible. So I think by policy I need to mark it eligible. By the time it comes to approve the project, if ever, one of the following will have happened: * Because the general script of the language is Perso-Arabic, people will have come along and changed the content to that script. * That doesn't happen, but there is evidence of a community that will make use of the project in Latin script. * Some combination of the above, where they will have worked out a modus vivendi between the two while the test is still in Incubator. For that reason, I'm not too worried about marking it "eligible". Steven Sent from Outlook<https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fw…> ________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 20:29:52 +0200 From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee <langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 (first group) Message-ID: <CAO53wxWRPL4TC8UpO3e1tFUe-bX0arSQEPRiU_MDw5B27RqZKg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hoi, It only makes sense to do so when there is a public. It is not a hobby. Thanks, GerardM On 6 June 2018 at 19:37, Michael Everson <siorrai(a)evertype.com> wrote: > I have no objection to a Roman alphabet version of editors wish to create > one. > > > On 6 Jun 2018, at 16:17, Steven White <Koala19890(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Khorasani Turkic (kmz): In theory, the language ought to be eligible. > But the test is written in a Romanized form, which neither Ethnologue nor > the enwiki article shows as an ordinary variant. Thoughts? > >

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Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 (first group)
by Steven White 12 Jun '18

12 Jun '18

I think the difference between this case and the "Romanized Persian" situation is that in the "Romanized Persian" case, there is already an active, solid project in Persian. Thus, anyone wanting to create this project has to work through the Persian Wikipedia community to make this happen. In the case of Khorasani Turkic, there is nothing else created in this language. And the language is inherently eligible. So I think by policy I need to mark it eligible. By the time it comes to approve the project, if ever, one of the following will have happened: * Because the general script of the language is Perso-Arabic, people will have come along and changed the content to that script. * That doesn't happen, but there is evidence of a community that will make use of the project in Latin script. * Some combination of the above, where they will have worked out a modus vivendi between the two while the test is still in Incubator. For that reason, I'm not too worried about marking it "eligible". Steven Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 20:29:52 +0200 From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee <langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 (first group) Message-ID: <CAO53wxWRPL4TC8UpO3e1tFUe-bX0arSQEPRiU_MDw5B27RqZKg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hoi, It only makes sense to do so when there is a public. It is not a hobby. Thanks, GerardM On 6 June 2018 at 19:37, Michael Everson <siorrai(a)evertype.com> wrote: > I have no objection to a Roman alphabet version of editors wish to create > one. > > > On 6 Jun 2018, at 16:17, Steven White <Koala19890(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Khorasani Turkic (kmz): In theory, the language ought to be eligible. > But the test is written in a Romanized form, which neither Ethnologue nor > the enwiki article shows as an ordinary variant. Thoughts? > >

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Looking for a path to approve Chinese Wikiversity
by Steven White 08 Jun '18

08 Jun '18

Chinese Wikiversity is far and away the biggest project in Beta Wikiversity—over twice as big as any other project there. Interface translation is, of course, complete in Chinese. The stumbling block has been getting three REGISTERED users for three consecutive months. At this point, we have had three REGISTERED users in three of the last four months. Additionally, over the course of the last seven months, all months without three registered users have had two registered users plus an enormous contribution from IP user(s). Given that the Great Firewall complicates things in China, I'm inclined to try to move in the direction of an approval now. Yet the fact that so much of the recent work has been done by IPs—meaning that it's hard for people to hold the contributor(s) accountable—gives some pause. So I'd like to propose the following: Let's try to get someone who is a known, trusted user to look over the material. I don't think that person needs to confirm that the language is correct, and I don't especially think it's our business to try to judge quality. I would simply want this person to confirm that this large IP contribution to the project (a) is not clearly biased, nor (b) represents an edit war between different points of view. If our checker thinks there is a problem we won't approve. If not, maybe we can go ahead. Among LangCom members, the only who advertises at least level-3 language skills in Chinese is André Müller. So if possible, André should be the checker. If that's not possible, I'm going to propose User:Hydriz. There are no stewards or global sysops with fluency in Chinese. But Hydriz is a global rollbacker, a sysop on Incubator, and a MediaWiki developer. So I think he's a reasonable alternative candidate. What do people think? Steven Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>

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Re: [Langcom] Increasing coordination of Efforts
by Steven White 08 Jun '18

08 Jun '18

I won't be at Wikimedia. But I'd be up for periodic conference calls. Steven Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ From: Langcom <langcom-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org> on behalf of langcom-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org <langcom-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 8:00 AM To: langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Langcom Digest, Vol 57, Issue 1 Hey All Am wondering if the occasionally teleconference would help with coordination of efforts? Realize that with us being in all parts of the world people will not be able to make all discussions. But wondering peoples thoughts on if it would help develop processes to deal with the backlog? Additionally not sure how many people will be at Wikimania however that could also be a good time to meet. Best -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian

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Increasing coordination of Efforts
by James Heilman 07 Jun '18

07 Jun '18

Hey All Am wondering if the occasionally teleconference would help with coordination of efforts? Realize that with us being in all parts of the world people will not be able to make all discussions. But wondering peoples thoughts on if it would help develop processes to deal with the backlog? Additionally not sure how many people will be at Wikimania however that could also be a good time to meet. Best -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian

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