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please take me off this list
by melinda barnadas 17 Aug '08

17 Aug '08

please take me off this list

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JIRA working now (was: Re: Ways to help)
by Brianna Laugher 14 Aug '08

14 Aug '08

Thanks for the kind words, Stefan and Liam. :) I have some good news before I go to bed... JIRA is working properly now! So now you should see the "Assign to me" links in the menu. Now you can choose requests yourself without needing to make a comment and let me update it. I assigned (in JIRA) the 15 or so requests that had already been chosen. When you have an image assigned to you, you should see a new link in the left menu "Begin review". You should click on this only after you have uploaded the image you created to Commons, and posted a link to it on JIRA. I created some extra "test" issues, so feel free to experiment with these. <https://jira.toolserver.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&&pid=1019…> But if you make a mistake on a "real" one it's not a big deal, I can easily help you fix it. So please don't be afraid of JIRA :) cheers all, Brianna -- They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/

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Ways to help
by Brianna Laugher 14 Aug '08

14 Aug '08

Hi, I created a new page on meta: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Philip_Greenspun_illustration_project/Get_in…> It lists ways that people can help take part in this project. Most of them are not about creating illustrations! :) There are probably more that I've forgotten right now, too. Please add to the list if you think of them. There is also a section where you can sign your name if you're interested to help out in some way. thanks, Brianna -- They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/

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2. The illustration must be accurate.
by Blech Nic 14 Aug '08

14 Aug '08

This should actually be point 1, imo. However, since there appears to be no way to correct inaccuracies, what's the point? I was interested in this project and willing to spend some time with it because of repeated serious problems with biological illustrations on en.Wikipedia. These problems are then transferred to other language Wikis. But my commenting on problems with an image got me the usual uber-Wiki-I-am-your-daddy-I-will-now-scold-you response. I'm tired off having all of these cyber daddies who want to lord it over me that I'm not obsessed with slapping Wikipedia policy around at people. I can't imagine why there would not only not be a procedure in place whereby people who are not professional illustrators, but do know biology well enough to correct illustrations, could have a part BEFORE an image gets put up on Wikipedia. This is apparently not the case. No part of the project currently involves accuracy, therefore, please keep the inaccurate images off of en and all other Wikipedias and off of commons, until this issue is addressed. Feel free to remove me from this list. I can't imagine anything that could make my experience on Wikipedia any worse than it already has been until now I'm faced with watching a bunch of bad illustrations being created to make Wikipedia's science even worse off than it is. Someone ought to refund Greenspun's money, though. I'm betting that's not what he intended to spend it on. B.

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(sin asunto)
by eugenio lasarte 13 Aug '08

13 Aug '08

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Submitting illustrations process
by Brianna Laugher 13 Aug '08

13 Aug '08

Hi, Wow, after just three days, we have our first submission! <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wine_grape_diagram_en.svg> for <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Philip_Greenspun_illustration_project/Round_…> Great stuff. LadyofHats does set the standard high. :) So, illustrators: To submit an illustration for review (ie, as fulfulling a request), you just need to upload it to Wikimedia Commons and then leave a comment on the issue page in JIRA. I will then set STATUS: "In Review" for that issue. (If JIRA was working properly you would normally do this yourself. :)) After being "In review", issues can go to "Accepted" or "Rejected". It's quite common that after doing a first version of an image, some small details need to be changed, so while this is going on the issue stays "in review". Issues are only likely to go to "Rejected" if 1) The image is not the illustrator's original work (ie, you must list your references) 2) The image doesn't match against published reference works and the illustrator is unwilling to modify it so 3) The image doesn't render correctly on MediaWiki and the illustrator is unwilling to modify it so. These are the three "deal breaker" issues as detailed at <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Philip_Greenspun_illustration_project/Guidel…> Beyond this, I hope illustrators will be happy to do the usual "tweaking" and keep in line with common good SVG practices such as keeping all text as text elements (not paths). So the review is decided by the Review group. I need to revive them after a few months waiting. :) While an illustration is in review, *everyone is welcome to comment on issues regarding the quality and accuracy of the illustration.* Please do this on JIRA so the Review group can take your comments into consideration. (You don't need a JIRA account to leave a comment.) This is actually a really helpful thing you can do -- look at textbooks, look at the listed references, see how they compare. Make sure if it looks good to say so, as well as if you see something that seems wrong. I hope images will spend no more than 2 weeks in review. Of course the great thing about SVGs is that they're easy to fix :) I am sure there will be lots of specifics that we can negotiate as we go. Once the round is complete, I will contact illustrators to arrange payment. Payment is via Paypal -- if you don't have one already, you will need a Paypal account. <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Philip_Greenspun_illustration_project/Payment> thanks, Brianna -- They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/

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Useful quick links for JIRA
by Brianna Laugher 12 Aug '08

12 Aug '08

lists of issues in JIRA (compare against <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Philip_Greenspun_illustration_project/Round_…>) http://ur1.ca/2g1 - Round 1 requests that are still Unassigned http://ur1.ca/2g2 - Round 1 requests that are Assigned (people have chosen to do them) http://ur1.ca/2g3 - Round 1 requests that are In Review (it's good to go and comment about quality/accuracy on these ones!) http://ur1.ca/2g4 - Round 1 requests that are Accepted, or Closed (don't bother checking yet :)) Brianna -- They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/

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Round 1 now open
by Brianna Laugher 10 Aug '08

10 Aug '08

Hi all, Round 1 is now open. <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Philip_Greenspun_illustration_project/Round_…> Each request has its own wiki page. On the wiki page, you will find a link to JIRA. On JIRA is where you can reserve a request for you to fulfil. You can only reserve 3 requests for yourself at a time. If you want to do more, you have to submit some first. Please try to submit something for review within 2 weeks of reserving any request. To reserve a request, look for the link on the left menu in JIRA that says "Assign to me". There are some screenshots of this here: <https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/JIRA/PGIP/Choosing_an_illustration_request> If you are logged in to JIRA but can't see this link, just leave a comment on the JIRA page saying you want to reserve that request. There is a link on the left that says "Comment on this issue". Please let me know if you have any troubles with any part of the process. Thanks everyone for your patience, and happy illustrating. Brianna [[user:pfctdayelise]]

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by akinolatidoye＠petfarm-ng.com 29 Jul '08

29 Jul '08

Hello, I'll reach you before long. Yours faithfully, Akin Olatidoye

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Round 1 Request list now published
by Brianna Laugher 29 Jul '08

29 Jul '08

Dear wonderful, lovely, patient illustrators, and other wonderfully lovely and patient interested people, The Request list for Round 1 is now published! <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Philip_Greenspun_illustration_project/Round_…> This means Round 1 is due to open in 4 days (2008-08-01). More information below. If you have any questions about specific requests please leave a comment on that request's talk page. If you have any questions about the general process please post them to this list. ==(Would-be) ILLUSTRATORS== Please browse over the list and see if you find a request that looks interesting for you. A reminder, you will need an account on JIRA to assign yourself a request once Round 1 opens. It would be helpful if you use the same username as your wiki username. You can sign up here: <https://jira.toolserver.org/secure/Signup!default.jspa> I will also put up some screenshots of how to use JIRA, before Round 1 opens. In each case I put an English Wikipedia article where the illustration may be used, but I expect you to use external sources in almost all cases! Also I have put "Examples" links to diagrams out on the web. I don't expect you to copy these or even use them as inspiration (some are great, while some are awful), but they should give you a quick idea of the kind of graphic expected. For some scientific and medical topics there is not much scope for originality. I would expect you to rely on standard textbooks for the specific features of those diagrams. For other topics there is scope to present the essential idea in a much more creative way. Image guidelines again are here: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Philip_Greenspun_illustration_project/Guidel…> ==TRANSLATORS== Each request in the list has its own individual page. All translated information about each request should appear in that request's page, ie don't create a different page for the translation, just add your translation info to the existing page. I have made space for German, Spanish, French, Polish and Japanese. Translations in other languages are of course accepted, but these are the languages where I know there are interested people (well actually, no German speakers have contacted me, but I'm being hopeful). I put the en.wp article to give illustrators a quick idea about what kind of topic it is. If your Wikipedia does not have an equivalent article, you could create it (just translate the lead paragraph), or see if you can find an explanation on the web, and link to that instead. (It would be great if the article eventually got created though - especially since it's going to have an image pretty soon.) ==EVERYONE== Everyone is invited to browse over the list and make comments or suggestions or corrections to individual requests. Is a request too vague? ***Is there an existing free image?*** (If so, please email me and I will replace that request) Are there good examples on the web I've missed? Good textbooks you know of for that topic? Ways to make more requests: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Philip_Greenspun_illustration_project/Reques…> ....or maybe more usefully.... <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_requested_diagram_images> (does your project have an equivalent category?? let me know!) Note: requests placed on meta that were not fulfilled during this round may be fulfilled during another round. I will clean up that Requests page and remove the fulfilled ones soon... So I started going through this Category:Wikipedia_requested_diagram_images on en.wp, and I realised I probably should have done that from the start. Oh well. There are lots of old requests in that category (some that were since filled but the template was never removed), and also a lot of poor requests. The template is used without an explanation of what kind of diagram, to explain what concept, is requested. That category currently has 549 pages in it, but realistically the requests suitable for this project are probably only 200 or 300. Probably it should have thousands of entries! So please go and add {{reqdiagram}} to as many article talk pages as you see fit (and please include an explanation of what you want, if it's not obvious). Anyway I hope eventually that this project might inspire some Wikibooks or WikiProjects to systematically go through their high-importance articles (with a corresponding textbook in their lap) and sort out systematically which concepts are commonly explained by diagrams and which are not. I would be really excited to read about a WikiProject doing this kind of "complete diagram review". It's a lot of work, but in the end we will have topic areas with great looking diagram coverage all over.... what could be better! thanks, Brianna [[user:pfctdayelise]]

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