I imagine it more has to do with privacy concerns. I assume (might be wrong, not really knowlegable about this area) to track bounce rate we need to uniquely identify each user, including logged out users. I imagine including that type of user tracking, well probably not totally out of the question, would be quite a hot-button issue with our userbase.
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On Monday, January 25, 2016, Hans Muller <j.m.muller@hccnet.nl> wrote:
> Dear Federico and Magnus,
>
> Thank you for your links and further help.
>
> Perhaps WMF is not that obsessed with dwell time of a surfer on a webpage,
> as are commercial websites and so Google Analytics with its concept of
> bounce: the user request of another webpage within a sec, an immediate
> rejection of the webpage.
>
> Or perhaps this cannot be logged server-side.
>
> Best regards, hansmuller
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hansmuller
>
>
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> Op Ma, 18 januari, 2016 9:49 pm schreef Magnus Manske:
>> OK, I am not sure I understand the issue correctly, so I'll just throw
>> out some notes:
>>
>> * I do not count the pageviews. They are counted by the Wikimedia
>> Foundation, I just use them as-is.
>>
>>
>> * The official definition of page views seems to be at
>> https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/Pageviews
>>
>>
>> * AFAIK, the data before 2015-12 used only desktop views; the new one
>> uses also mobile, but removes "views" by bots and crawlers.
>>
>> * Not sure what the "bounce" feature is; the preview thing in the mobile
>> app? Or the MediaViewer? (I believe page views count neither of those)
>>
>> Finally, a "view" in the baglama2 tool means an image was included on a
>> page that a human loaded in his/her browser. I have no data if that image
>> was actually on the screen ("below the fold", no scrolling), but since
>> "important" images in an article tend to be near the top, I just count
>> the page view.
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>> Magnus
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:19 PM Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hans Muller, 18/01/2016 14:52:
>>>
>>>> As far as i can see, the API does not answer the bounce question.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The API talks of pageviews
>>> https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/pageviews_API ; your question is
>>> IMHO the wrong one, i.e. "how can we estimate how many pageviews are
>>> real?". The real question is "how many times are the files actually
>>> seen?".
>>>
>>> To answer the real question, you have to use mediacounts instead:
>>> https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/Data/Mediacounts
>>> You can see an example at
>>> http://wiki.wikimedia.it/wiki/File:2015-10-beic-counts.ods
>>> The results are very similar to what baglama yields, for this specific
>>> case (BEIC media).
>>>
>>> Nemo
>>>
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