Re: [Gendergap] Marfan syndrome image - Gendergap

8 Aug 2016

I am in no way an expert in copyright so I can't comment on that aspect of
the image.

However, reading through the article it is clear to me that the syndrome
can affect several parts of the body. As in many medical images I have seen
in the past, nudity of the subject of the image allows for the symptoms
referred to to be clearly seen by non-experts on the field (like myself)
and be educated. This is not possible in the same way if the subject is
clothed.

My personal preference would for the image to be anonymised, in the way
that previously suggested (obscuring the subject's face or eyes).

K.

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 One option in these cases is to anonymize the image to make the subject not
 immediately recognizable - one common way I see to do this is to block out
 the subject's eyes or blur their face. I would offer to do this but I have
 no idea how to work any kind of image editing program, so it would probably
 be a disaster!

 On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Pete Forsyth &lt;peteforsyth(a)gmail.com&gt;
 wrote:

  Well said, Lane. We lack a clear consensus around
what kind of consent is
 required for the subject of photos. It's an area that deserves attention.

 -Pete
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 On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 5:38 AM, Lane Rasberry &lt;lane(a)bluerasberry.com&gt;
 wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I know this issue. It does look like a mistake that the academic paper
> has a 2.0 license and Wikipedia tags it as 2.5. Other than that issue,  the
 > copyright seems in order.
>
> Wikimedia Commons does not have a clear policy on consent for images,
> other than images should comply with local law. I would like to  establish a
 > policy on consent because even though there
is no policy, people  document
 > consent in OTRS and petition to remove
content based on lack of consent.
>
> More information about this image is in these places.
>
>    - <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_
>    Medicine/Archive_70#Patient_with_Marfans
>    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk: 
WikiProject_Medicine/Archive_70#Patient_with_Marfans>
 >    >
>    - <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:PEG/Wikimedia_
>    New_York_City/Development_of_a_model_release_process_for_
>    photos_and_video#Patient_with_Marfan_syndrome.2C_image_
>    taken_from_academic_medical_journal
>    <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:PEG/ 
Wikimedia_New_York_City/Development_of_a_model_release_process_for_photos_
 and_video#Patient_with_Marfan_syndrome.2C_image_taken_from_
 academic_medical_journal>
 >    >
>
> The issue of consent for photographs is not easy to resolve.
>
> yours,
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 7:57 AM, Neotarf &lt;neotarf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>
>> Would someone look at the copyright issues surrounding the image in
>> Marfan syndrome?  This article was mentioned in the Signpost as being
>> worked on in honor of Kevin Gorman.  The image shows a pubescent child,
>> partially clothed, apparently during a medical exam. The image was 
uploaded
 >> with a CC-by-2.5 license.  But if you go
to the copyright information  in
 >> the case study, it says the article was
published under 2.0 license.  There
 >> is separate copyright statement for the
image: "Written informed  consent
 >> was obtained from the patient's
parents for the publication of this  case
 >> report and accompanying images. A copy of
the consent form is  available for
 >> review by the Editor-in-Chief of this
journal."  It says the child is  13
 >> years old and has a "global
intellectual impairment".
>>
>> Is the consent needed for a medical study in Brazil the same type of
>> consent needed to host an image on Commons?   Does the license for the
>> article also apply to the image of the child?  Can someone sort through
>> these issues?
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marfan_syndrome
>>
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