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Tim Davenport

18 Jan 2015 18 Jan '15

6:26 p.m.

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>>[Jonathan Cardy wrote:] "I have no problem arranging the room, putting

up a geonotice and being an attendee." It seems to me that Jonathan is a little unclear with Lightbreather's concept.... You are male. You make "safe" spaces unsafe by your very existence. You are not welcome. Go away. Sorry, well-meaning paternalistic friend, you just don't have the right chromosomes to play. Tim Davenport "Corvallis, OR" Corvallis, OR USA ========= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:43:52 +0000 From: WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers(a)gmail.com> To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects." <gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries. In London? Message-ID: <C1E74568-D89B-4462-88FF-B21063C6E99F(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" It would be very easy for us to host a two hour session in London on a weekday evening at the UK offices. I am fairly sure we could get a bunch of admins and others to attend, aside from some of the London regulars who have agreed in principle, a geonotice would likely attract more. I have no problem arranging the room, putting up a geonotice and being an attendee. However I would need a volunteer to run the session. That isn't just because I'm the wrong gender to run such an event, but at the moment I don't know what changes in behaviour you would be hoping to train people into. Regards Jonathan Cardy

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18 Jan 18 Jan

6:53 p.m.

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Please don't misrepresent me. Wanting ONE safe place on-line for women only (which is what I want) is not the same as wanting no men anywhere where women are (not wanted by anyone, that I've seen) . Besides, isn't this thread about diversity training? Did it change to talk off a women-only space? If so, I missed that segue. Carrite/Tim, are you a men's rights advocate? On Jan 18, 2015 9:26 AM, "Tim Davenport" <shoehutch(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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>>[Jonathan Cardy wrote:] "I have no problem arranging the room, putting

6:55 p.m.

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My auto correct changed on-wiki to on-line. I did/do mean on-wiki. On Jan 18, 2015 9:53 AM, "LB" <lightbreather2(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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>>[Jonathan Cardy wrote:] "I have no problem arranging the room,

putting up a geonotice and being an attendee." It seems to me that Jonathan is a little unclear with Lightbreather's concept.... You are male. You make "safe" spaces unsafe by your very existence. You are not welcome. Go away. Sorry, well-meaning paternalistic friend, you just don't have the right chromosomes to play. Tim Davenport "Corvallis, OR" Corvallis, OR USA ========= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:43:52 +0000 From: WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers(a)gmail.com> To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects." <gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries. In London? Message-ID: <C1E74568-D89B-4462-88FF-B21063C6E99F(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" It would be very easy for us to host a two hour session in London on a weekday evening at the UK offices. I am fairly sure we could get a bunch of admins and others to attend, aside from some of the London regulars who have agreed in principle, a geonotice would likely attract more. I have no problem arranging the room, putting up a geonotice and being an attendee. However I would need a volunteer to run the session. That isn't just because I'm the wrong gender to run such an event, but at the moment I don't know what changes in behaviour you would be hoping to train people into. Regards Jonathan Cardy _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Leigh Honeywell

8:33 p.m.

New subject: Diversity training for functionaries. In London?

Tim, this kind ofsnippiness is inappropriate and unhelpful. I'll be unsubscribing you from the list. On Sunday, January 18, 2015, Tim Davenport <shoehutch(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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>>[Jonathan Cardy wrote:] "I have no problem arranging the room, putting

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" It would be very easy for us to host a two hour session in London on a weekday evening at the UK offices. I am fairly sure we could get a bunch of admins and others to attend, aside from some of the London regulars who have agreed in principle, a geonotice would likely attract more. I have no problem arranging the room, putting up a geonotice and being an attendee. However I would need a volunteer to run the session. That isn't just because I'm the wrong gender to run such an event, but at the moment I don't know what changes in behaviour you would be hoping to train people into. Regards Jonathan Cardy

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J Hayes

11:35 p.m.

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i concur we need to be open to people, and team with them based on conduct this remark tends to play into the negative stereotype, which is not what we are about. On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Leigh Honeywell <leigh(a)hypatia.ca> wrote:

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Tim, this kind ofsnippiness is inappropriate and unhelpful. I'll be unsubscribing you from the list. On Sunday, January 18, 2015, Tim Davenport <shoehutch(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>>[Jonathan Cardy wrote:] "I have no problem arranging the room,

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WereSpielChequers

20 Jan 20 Jan

12:45 p.m.

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I have been called rather worse than paternalistic on wiki and elsewhere:) The offer still stands, but rather than leave Carrite's thread as the only response I will take the opportunity to expand on it a little. London, for reasons obvious and otherwise is one of the centres of the wiki community, It isn't just a city of 8million, there is a much larger population who are in commuting distance. I am a regular at the London meetup and I'm also part time staff at Wikimedia UK. I know there are quite a lot of admins and other functionaries in or near London. I am in a position to convene and promote such an event, and arrange space at the chapter's office so it can be hosted for free at a convenient location in central London. Wikimania is about 6 months away and will only get a subset of the audience you want for such a session, albeit an even bigger subset than London. So running an event in London would mean starting a diversity training program much more quickly than starting it at Wikimania, and an extra chance to get the content of the event right. If the London event shows that for example you aren't yet clear what changes you want people to make in their behaviour, then there could still be time to get that right. So if someone is willing to run a training session in London then please get in touch on or off list. Otherwise I would be obliged if someone could give me a link to a page which explains what diversity training for wikipedia admins would involve. Regards Jonathan Cardy

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On 18 Jan 2015, at 21:35, J Hayes <slowking4(a)gmail.com> wrote: i concur we need to be open to people, and team with them based on conduct this remark tends to play into the negative stereotype, which is not what we are about.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Leigh Honeywell <leigh(a)hypatia.ca> wrote: Tim, this kind ofsnippiness is inappropriate and unhelpful. I'll be unsubscribing you from the list.

On Sunday, January 18, 2015, Tim Davenport <shoehutch(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>>[Jonathan Cardy wrote:] "I have no problem arranging the room, putting up a geonotice and being an attendee."

It seems to me that Jonathan is a little unclear with Lightbreather's concept.... You are male. You make "safe" spaces unsafe by your very existence. You are not welcome. Go away. Sorry, well-meaning paternalistic friend, you just don't have the right chromosomes to play. Tim Davenport "Corvallis, OR" Corvallis, OR USA ========= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:43:52 +0000 From: WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers(a)gmail.com> To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects." <gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries. In London? Message-ID: <C1E74568-D89B-4462-88FF-B21063C6E99F(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" It would be very easy for us to host a two hour session in London on a weekday evening at the UK offices. I am fairly sure we could get a bunch of admins and others to attend, aside from some of the London regulars who have agreed in principle, a geonotice would likely attract more. I have no problem arranging the room, putting up a geonotice and being an attendee. However I would need a volunteer to run the session. That isn't just because I'm the wrong gender to run such an event, but at the moment I don't know what changes in behaviour you would be hoping to train people into. Regards Jonathan Cardy

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19 Jan 19 Jan

9:02 p.m.

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Thanks, Leigh. That guy attacked me regularly during the "cuntgate" business on WP, and especially while the GGTF ArbCom was open. Lightbreather On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Leigh Honeywell <leigh(a)hypatia.ca> wrote:

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Tim, this kind ofsnippiness is inappropriate and unhelpful. I'll be unsubscribing you from the list. On Sunday, January 18, 2015, Tim Davenport <shoehutch(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>>[Jonathan Cardy wrote:] "I have no problem arranging the room,

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