Hi There, I happen to live in Geneva and coukd provide
photos for the Womanity Foundation. I know somebody working there.
I am also interested in translating the article in French. Will do, shortly.
Thanks for the notice. We experiment article deletion quite often too on the French wki,
but have bern able to discuss within the project les sans pages and help people with such
issues, although we also have been accused of voting together and therefore influencing
results. We have developped - I think - a nice atmosphere on this project and we are not
tackling women bios only.
On the other hand, one of our group was at last able to translate "LGBT history in
Switzerland" in Italian, but it was first not possible because of the use of
"explicit language" (the reason given for not publishing the translation). This
was an automatic response that Edeosenfed received when he pushed the publish button after
finishing hus translation in Italian. We tried to add more infornation on lesbian women in
the article, but adding info on trans women history (and trans men) was a challenge and
still is : it was hard to find sources of the historical context. We still have to work on
that.
Kind regards,
Nattes à chat
Le 30 juin 2017 à 00:54, Neotarf <neotarf(a)gmail.com
<mailto:neotarf@gmail.com>> a écrit :
Looking at the discussion, it seems they are
using the wrong notability guideline, the first one, WP:COMPANY, which would be used for
restaurants or garage bands, instead of WP:NONPROFIT
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28organizations_and_companies%29#Non-commercial_organizations>,
further down the page. The page is rather confusing in the way it is organized, but I
don't see any other category that could be used for political parties or organizations
in the public interest.
According to WP:NONPROFIT:
Non-commercial organizations
Organizations are usually notable if they meet both of the following standards:
The scope of their activities is national or international in scale
The organization has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are
independent of the organization.
So I have compiled a list of the Farsi-language sources at
https://neotarf.wordpress.com/2017/06/29/sources-for-pakistan-women-muslim-…
<https://neotarf.wordpress.com/2017/06/29/sources-for-pakistan-women-muslim-league/>
A total of 12 newspapers have published articles about Pakistan Women Muslim League,
including an interview with the founder. There are 11 articles from Peshawar (local)
sources, 2 from unidentified sources, and 3 articles from sources from the capital in
Islamabad, showing national scope, as does the fact that the party is registered
nationally.
If there is not a consensus for an article, perhaps the information could be added to
another article, I see there is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Pakistan#Minor_o…
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Pakistan#Minor_or_regional_parties>
although I suppose you would have to nominate all the other small parties for deletion as
well, or incorporate them into the list.
I really have to wonder if this is a good use of our time. While I appreciate Ryan's
efforts in bringing this issue here, it took me literally hours to identify these articles
to establish notability, on a topic that should already be obviously notable.
Shouldn't anyone be able to go to Wikipedia to find information about another
country's political system.
On a similar note, I see The Womanity Foundation
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Womanity_Foundation> nominated for deletion and
the person who started the article referred to as "an SPA". Welcome to
Wikipedia. A quick google shows a huge number of reliable sources.
https://www.google.com/search?q=The+Womanity+Foundation&ie=utf-8&oe…
<https://www.google.com/search?q=The+Womanity+Foundation&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=The+Womanity+Foundation&tbm=nws>
Aren't they supposed to check that before they nominate it for deletion? Can the new
community culture group help with that?
On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 11:43 PM, Neotarf <neotarf(a)gmail.com
<mailto:neotarf@gmail.com>> wrote:
Here is the archived article: "Women’s political party launched Pakistan Women
Muslim League (PWML)" January 6, 2014
http://archive.is/V3Vpk
<http://archive.is/V3Vpk>
Party registered with PEC Pakistan Election Commission:
https://books.google.com/books?id=RROXCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA280&dq=Pakistan…
<https://books.google.com/books?id=RROXCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA280&dq=Pakistan+Women+Muslim+League,+Rubina+Shaheen&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwicvJSP19zUAhWFOz4KHQK6BMAQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=Pakistan%20Women%20Muslim%20League%2C%20Rubina%20Shaheen&f=false>
Cabinet list and photo of oath-taking ceremony
http://pwml.pk/index.php/cabinets/188-oath-taking-cermony
<http://pwml.pk/index.php/cabinets/188-oath-taking-cermony>
Official website (English and Urdu):
http://pwml.pk/ <http://pwml.pk/>
See also Maimoonah Khan
https://www.facebook.com/pwml.islamabad/
<https://www.facebook.com/pwml.islamabad/> and Urdu
https://www.facebook.com/pwmlp
<https://www.facebook.com/pwmlp>, FB profile:
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012757092035&fref=ts
<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012757092035&fref=ts> There seem to
be new internal elections underway by email starting 3 days ago.
Twitter
https://twitter.com/chrpersonpwml?lang=en
<https://twitter.com/chrpersonpwml?lang=en>
YouTube channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCLP3T3yn95nLlP1DLY4LBQ
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCLP3T3yn95nLlP1DLY4LBQ> Another Youtube Rubina
Shaheen speaking in Peshawar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X1eatiEeeo
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X1eatiEeeo>
Rubina Shaheen introduces herself as primary school teacher
https://www.worldpulse.com/en/community/users/rubina-shaheen#stories
<https://www.worldpulse.com/en/community/users/rubina-shaheen#stories>
Linked in:
https://pk.linkedin.com/in/rubina-shaheen-22a252100
<https://pk.linkedin.com/in/rubina-shaheen-22a252100>
There is also a Rubina Shaheen Wattoo, daughter of Manzoor Wattoo,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manzoor_Wattoo
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manzoor_Wattoo> who seems to have won some elections,
http://www.pap.gov.pk/index.php/members/profile/en/19/647
<http://www.pap.gov.pk/index.php/members/profile/en/19/647> and may be notable, but
by the photographs this does not appear to be the same person. Disambig page?
There was a Rubina/Robina Shaheen who ran in the 2013 election for PK-5 Peshawar KPK
Assembly seat, but the party affiliation (PML-Q) (probably The Pakistan Muslim League or
Quaid e Azam Group, Urdu: پاکستان مسلم لیگ ق) does not look right (s/b PWML), so probably
not the same one.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/archive/amp/432028-all-women-candidates-from-kp-…
<https://www.thenews.com.pk/archive/amp/432028-all-women-candidates-from-kp-lost-election-by-huge-marginshttp://www.electionpakistani.com/ge2013/pk/PK-5.htm>
There was a fair amount of coverage of PWML in Urdu sources here, from their official
website, unfortunately these are photos of newspaper clippings and not digitized.
http://pwml.pk/index.php/home-en/10-icetheme/features/245-news-media
<http://pwml.pk/index.php/home-en/10-icetheme/features/245-news-media>
This may be the only women's party in the world, as Pakistan has seats reserved for
women (although it is not the only country to do this)
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/may/09/pakistan-female-electi…
<https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/may/09/pakistan-female-election-candidates-confidence>
On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 7:00 PM, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org
<mailto:rkaldari@wikimedia.org>> wrote:
The article for the first women's political party in Pakistan is about to be deleted,
unless someone can find some sources for it.[1][2] Urdu-language speakers would be
especially useful for this effort.
1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Women_Muslim_League
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Women_Muslim_League>
2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Pakistan_Wome…
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Pakistan_Women_Muslim_League>
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