Today in the german Wikipedia started a vote, which aims to ban gender-neutral language. There are masculine formulations* for the work be determined.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Generisches_Maskulinu...
*https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generisches_Maskulinum
best wishes User:bunnyfrosch
Hi Bob -
Unfortunately I both don't speak German, and don't have the time to go through a long and messy RfC on the subject in a language I don't understand currently. However the issue as it has been framed in your original post certainly sounds concerning. If you have the time (and I certainly understand if you dont,) would you be willing to provide a slightly more in depth summary fo what's going on currently.
Thanks, Kevin Gorman
I was just talking about this yesterday - In the Dutch Wikipedia, gender-neutral language is used for occupations and during the Art&Feminism edit-a-thon we remarked on how difficult it is to track down female artists if the lead sentence is gender neutral. This is compounded by the fact that the Dutch Wikipedia does not allow gender categories at all (which does solve the "Ghettoization" problem we constantly have in the English Wikipedia where women are in the "Women <skill>" categories rather than the main categories). In the English Wikipedia we also only have gender-neutral languages for most occupations, but that is because we discarded gender-based words so long ago (poet vs. poetess).
2014-02-02, Kevin Gorman kgorman@gmail.com:
Hi Bob -
Unfortunately I both don't speak German, and don't have the time to go through a long and messy RfC on the subject in a language I don't understand currently. However the issue as it has been framed in your original post certainly sounds concerning. If you have the time (and I certainly understand if you dont,) would you be willing to provide a slightly more in depth summary fo what's going on currently.
Thanks, Kevin Gorman
hi,
actually there were two questions. one was if a vote about the topic (have a rule for gender-something in articles) makes sense. a 3:1 majority says: no. the main reason is "do not patronise the autor." and the second question was if people do support the proposal or not. the proposed rule itself proposes a classical language. with no surprise after the result of the first question, a lot less answered here. a 2:1 majority says: no, this rule should not be like proposed.
rupert.
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
I was just talking about this yesterday - In the Dutch Wikipedia, gender-neutral language is used for occupations and during the Art&Feminism edit-a-thon we remarked on how difficult it is to track down female artists if the lead sentence is gender neutral. This is compounded by the fact that the Dutch Wikipedia does not allow gender categories at all (which does solve the "Ghettoization" problem we constantly have in the English Wikipedia where women are in the "Women <skill>" categories rather than the main categories). In the English Wikipedia we also only have gender-neutral languages for most occupations, but that is because we discarded gender-based words so long ago (poet vs. poetess).
2014-02-02, Kevin Gorman kgorman@gmail.com:
Hi Bob -
Unfortunately I both don't speak German, and don't have the time to go through a long and messy RfC on the subject in a language I don't understand currently. However the issue as it has been framed in your original post certainly sounds concerning. If you have the time (and I certainly understand if you dont,) would you be willing to provide a slightly more in depth summary fo what's going on currently.
Thanks, Kevin Gorman
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hi kevin, the poll forced a decision between the status quo ("it is possible to use gender-neutral-language --> case-by-case review) and the new proposal for maskuline fromulations only, this refers to the construct "generisches Maskulinum" --> all genders should be included in the maskuline phrase, a concept that is opposed by those who don't find themselves in the formulations the generische maskulinum offers.
the current status is, that a mayority disaprove the aims of the poll.
best regards bunnyfrosch
2014-02-02 rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com:
hi,
actually there were two questions. one was if a vote about the topic (have a rule for gender-something in articles) makes sense. a 3:1 majority says: no. the main reason is "do not patronise the autor." and the second question was if people do support the proposal or not. the proposed rule itself proposes a classical language. with no surprise after the result of the first question, a lot less answered here. a 2:1 majority says: no, this rule should not be like proposed.
rupert.
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
I was just talking about this yesterday - In the Dutch Wikipedia, gender-neutral language is used for occupations and during the Art&Feminism edit-a-thon we remarked on how difficult it is to track down female artists if the lead sentence is gender neutral. This is compounded by the fact that the Dutch Wikipedia does not allow gender categories at all (which does solve the "Ghettoization" problem we constantly have in the English Wikipedia where women are in the "Women <skill>" categories rather than the main categories). In the English Wikipedia we also only have gender-neutral languages for most occupations, but that is because we discarded gender-based words so long ago (poet vs. poetess).
2014-02-02, Kevin Gorman kgorman@gmail.com:
Hi Bob -
Unfortunately I both don't speak German, and don't have the time to go through a long and messy RfC on the subject in a language I don't understand currently. However the issue as it has been framed in your original post certainly sounds concerning. If you have the time (and I certainly understand if you dont,) would you be willing to provide a slightly more in depth summary fo what's going on currently.
Thanks, Kevin Gorman
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Thanks for the updates Bob and Rupert.
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Bob Sponge < metzgerhandwerk.hat.tradition@googlemail.com> wrote:
hi kevin, the poll forced a decision between the status quo ("it is possible to use gender-neutral-language --> case-by-case review) and the new proposal for maskuline fromulations only, this refers to the construct "generisches Maskulinum" --> all genders should be included in the maskuline phrase, a concept that is opposed by those who don't find themselves in the formulations the generische maskulinum offers.
the current status is, that a mayority disaprove the aims of the poll.
best regards bunnyfrosch
2014-02-02 rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com:
hi,
actually there were two questions. one was if a vote about the topic (have a rule for gender-something in articles) makes sense. a 3:1 majority says: no. the main reason is "do not patronise the autor." and the second question was if people do support the proposal or not. the proposed rule itself proposes a classical language. with no surprise after the result of the first question, a lot less answered here. a 2:1 majority says: no, this rule should not be like proposed.
rupert.
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
I was just talking about this yesterday - In the Dutch Wikipedia, gender-neutral language is used for occupations and during the Art&Feminism edit-a-thon we remarked on how difficult it is to track down female artists if the lead sentence is gender neutral. This is compounded by the fact that the Dutch Wikipedia does not allow gender categories at all (which does solve the "Ghettoization" problem we constantly have in the English Wikipedia where women are in the "Women <skill>" categories rather than the main categories). In the English Wikipedia we also only have gender-neutral languages for most occupations, but that is because we discarded gender-based words so long ago (poet vs. poetess).
2014-02-02, Kevin Gorman kgorman@gmail.com:
Hi Bob -
Unfortunately I both don't speak German, and don't have the time to go through a long and messy RfC on the subject in a language I don't understand currently. However the issue as it has been framed in your original post certainly sounds concerning. If you have the time (and I certainly understand if you dont,) would you be willing to provide a slightly more in depth summary fo what's going on currently.
Thanks, Kevin Gorman
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