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J Hayes

23 Dec 23 Dec

5:39 p.m.

yes and some time dilation and taking pictures of people with user name tags on, so outing On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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This feature article from Bloomberg BusinessWeek does, IMO, a great job of exploring and contextualizing Wikipedia's diversity issues. The reporters really did their homework on this one, taking the time to explore all angles. There are certainly a few factual errors, the most egregious are probably the confusing between policy and guideline on paid editing, and the conflation of Wikipedia and WMF in a couple places. Thoughts? Is Wikipedia Woke? The ubiquitous reference site tries to expand its editor ranks beyond the Comic Con set. by Dimitra Kessenides and Max Chafkin December 22, 2016 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-12-22/how- woke-is-wikipedia-s-editorial-pool -Pete -- [[User:Peteforsyth]] _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

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Robert Fernandez

6:44 p.m.

Some of the editors were identified by names which did not appear on their name tags, and at least one was not identified by name in the caption, only by user name. That appears to indicate that the photographer sought individual information and permission. I'll ping some of the NYC folks who were there and ask them to clear this up. On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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If BBW failed to confirm that photos with nametags were OK with any of those they depicted, yes, that would be a problem. I'm confident they would want to know about that, and I'd be happy to pass that feedback along if it hasn't already been delivered. But is there any reason to believe that happened? Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]] On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 9:39 AM, J Hayes <slowking4(a)gmail.com> wrote:

yes and some time dilation and taking pictures of people with user name tags on, so outing On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth(a)gmail.com> wrote:

This feature article from Bloomberg BusinessWeek does, IMO, a great job of exploring and contextualizing Wikipedia's diversity issues. The reporters really did their homework on this one, taking the time to explore all angles. There are certainly a few factual errors, the most egregious are probably the confusing between policy and guideline on paid editing, and the conflation of Wikipedia and WMF in a couple places. Thoughts? Is Wikipedia Woke? The ubiquitous reference site tries to expand its editor ranks beyond the Comic Con set. by Dimitra Kessenides and Max Chafkin December 22, 2016 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-12-22/how-woke- is-wikipedia-s-editorial-pool -Pete -- [[User:Peteforsyth]] _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

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J Hayes

11:46 p.m.

was it normal release, or release of user name + name? i believe Erika Herzog <https://www.facebook.com/erikaherzog?fref=ufi> may not have understood about the user name issue. perhaps i am overly sensitive to this issue, since a WMDC editor was outed, in a less friendlier venue On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Pharos <pharosofalexandria(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Yes, Rob is right, the Bloomberg photographer did seek individual information and permission. Most people just put their given names on the nametags anyway, the photographer followed up with asking if they wanted to be included and how they wanted to be attributed. Thanks, Pharos On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Robert Fernandez <wikigamaliel(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Some of the editors were identified by names which did not appear on their name tags, and at least one was not identified by name in the caption, only by user name. That appears to indicate that the photographer sought individual information and permission. I'll ping some of the NYC folks who were there and ask them to clear this up. On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth(a)gmail.com> wrote:

If BBW failed to confirm that photos with nametags were OK with any of those they depicted, yes, that would be a problem. I'm confident they would want to know about that, and I'd be happy to pass that feedback along if it hasn't already been delivered. But is there any reason to believe that happened? Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]] On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 9:39 AM, J Hayes <slowking4(a)gmail.com> wrote:

yes and some time dilation and taking pictures of people with user name tags on, so outing On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth(a)gmail.com> wrote: > This feature article from Bloomberg BusinessWeek does, IMO, a great > job of exploring and contextualizing Wikipedia's diversity issues. The > reporters really did their homework on this one, taking the time to explore > all angles. > > There are certainly a few factual errors, the most egregious are > probably the confusing between policy and guideline on paid editing, and > the conflation of Wikipedia and WMF in a couple places. > > Thoughts? > > > Is Wikipedia Woke? > The ubiquitous reference site tries to expand its editor ranks beyond > the Comic Con set. > by Dimitra Kessenides and Max Chafkin > December 22, 2016 > > https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-12-22/how-woke- > is-wikipedia-s-editorial-pool > > -Pete > -- > [[User:Peteforsyth]] > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, > please visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

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