Fluff,

I can only say that with that in mind, you are not part of the
solution, but part of the problem. This isn't an attack in anyway
shape or form on yourself personally, and I hope you realise precisely
what I mean by this.

That personal invite by myself will always stay open to you, and I'd
be happy to show you the ropes around "my neck of the woods".

Cheers,

Russavia


On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:15 AM, Katherine Casey

<fluffernutter.wiki@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alas no, I'm not up to your challenge. I'm subject to quite enough
> aggression and strange sexualization of situations on enwp; I don't have the
> energy to dive headfirst into an even worse atmosphere of those things on
> Commons. I'm much more comfortable speaking here, in an environment of
> respect and support, than I would ever be there, in an environment where my
> right to my opinions would be challenged and I'd be shouting into a void
> while thinking that at any moment someone was going to ask me to show my
> "tits".
>
> Not everyone has unlimited tolerance for doing things that make them very
> uncomfortable; as someone whose tolerance for that is perhaps lower than
> some other people's, my hope is that my voice here, where I am comfortable
> speaking, will be heard - as it seems to be, given this thread and the
> inroads that have been made on Commons as a result of it - and that my
> speaking here it will provide support to the people who are willing to brave
> that environment.
>
> -Fluff
>
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Russavia <russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Fluff,
>>
>> Indeed we did have a conversation on IRC the other day. You and I may not
>> agree on numerous things, and in many instances we have very similar views
>> (but perhaps you just aren't aware of it), but one thing we surely can agree
>> on is that by only commenting on this list is not having your voice heard in
>> the place where it matters -- and that is on Commons.
>>
>> I urged you the other day to come and join us on the project, noting that
>> you don't have many contributions there
>> (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Fluffernutter), and
>> I am again urging you to come and join us.
>>
>> Are you up for that challenge?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Russavia
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 3:36 AM, Katherine Casey
>> <fluffernutter.wiki@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Russavia, from the perspective of many people here, "blowing hot air" on
>>> Commons is the least likely to bring about change of any of the options you
>>> mention. I know you don't agree with that (you and I had quite a long IRC
>>> conversation the other day where you made that clear), but it is the genuine
>>> impression many, many of us have been left with after watching how
>>> discussions tend to go there.
>>>
>>> -Fluff
>>>
>>>
>>
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