Perhaps this goes back to the power of invitation culture that myself and sue have talked about in the past...

Monitoring new articles....inviting people to submit...helping them through the challenge.

Sarah

On Jul 18, 2014 8:04 AM, "Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight" <rosiestep.wiki@gmail.com> wrote:
Spot on description, Sarah, of why not to nominate an article at DYK, "... drama, rude people, too "complex" of a process for something so simple". Yup, DYK can be (is) dysfunctional and the DYK project doesn't take criticism well. But if an article meets its requirements, it will eventually make it to the main page. So nominating more articles seems to make sense.

I haven't witnessed gender bias within DYK, i.e. women's biographies don't appear to be treated differently than men's; self-identified female nominators don't appear to be treated differently than male nominators. But if you are aware of a nominator being treated poorly because of her gender, or really anything related to gender bias within the DYK process, I'd be very receptive to hearing from you, either through a reply here, or email me directly.

I appreciate all your feedback -- so keep it coming -- and I will work on a proposal to tackle this issue. Wish me luck!

-Rosie
user:Rosiestep




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      Know?) section (Sarah Stierch)
   3. Re: Women's biographies at the main page's DYK (Did You
      Know?) section (Siko Bouterse)
   4. Gender diversity and women's biographies discussed in July
      WMF Research showcase (Pine W)
   5. Blog post "Creating Safe Spaces" (Pine W)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:19:06 -0400
From: Rob <gamaliel8@gmail.com>
To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
        participation   of women within Wikimedia projects."
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Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Women's biographies at the main page's DYK
        (Did You Know?) section
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DYK is pretty dysfunctional behind the scenes so I don't think there's any
hope of changing DYK processes to address this issue.  What can be done is
to encourage individual WikiProjects addressing the gender gap to include
submitting new and improved articles to DYK as a part of their regular
process of article improvement.   It's very easy to get a good article onto
DYK once it is submitted there.


On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Rosiestep Wiki <rosiestep.wiki@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I've noticed this for years -- fewer women's biographies vs. men's in an
> average week at the DYK section of the main page. Maybe I've noticed this
> because I'm a highly prolific contributor to DYK. But I've wondered how
> many reader eyeballs land on the main page and notice the same thing?
>
> Some statistics here:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions
>
> Annually, there's a preponderance of women's biographies in March (Women's
> History Month). And during the rest of the year, there's the occasional set
> (6-7 "hooks") or occasional day (2-3 sets) where the majority of the
> biographies are regarding women. But it's an uncommon occurrence over the
> course of a week. The reason seems simple:  fewer women's biographies are
> being nominated by editors, so fewer are promoted, and fewer appear at DYK.
> It almost goes without saying that fewer women's biographies are
> created/expanded compared to men's but it's actually important to address
> this, as IMO, it's the crux of the problem. I am not suggesting and would
> not support setting limits on the number of men's biographies which appear
> at DYK. Instead, I'd like to believe that issue/problem recognition is the
> first step before we brainstorm some objectives, develop workplans (i.e.
> monthly edit-a-thons anyone?), and measure outcomes.
>
> I'm considering creating a proposal and applying for a grant to work on
> this "percentage issue". Feedback?
>
> -Rosie
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rosiestep
>
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 08:29:35 -0700
From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com>
To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
        participation   of women within Wikimedia projects."
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Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Women's biographies at the main page's DYK
        (Did You Know?) section
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Yeah I stopped submitting DYK a long time ago...drama, rude people, too
"complex" of a process for something so simple...
On Jul 17, 2014 8:19 AM, "Rob" <gamaliel8@gmail.com> wrote:

> DYK is pretty dysfunctional behind the scenes so I don't think there's any
> hope of changing DYK processes to address this issue.  What can be done is
> to encourage individual WikiProjects addressing the gender gap to include
> submitting new and improved articles to DYK as a part of their regular
> process of article improvement.   It's very easy to get a good article onto
> DYK once it is submitted there.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Rosiestep Wiki <rosiestep.wiki@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I've noticed this for years -- fewer women's biographies vs. men's in an
>> average week at the DYK section of the main page. Maybe I've noticed this
>> because I'm a highly prolific contributor to DYK. But I've wondered how
>> many reader eyeballs land on the main page and notice the same thing?
>>
>> Some statistics here:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions
>>
>> Annually, there's a preponderance of women's biographies in March
>> (Women's History Month). And during the rest of the year, there's the
>> occasional set (6-7 "hooks") or occasional day (2-3 sets) where the
>> majority of the biographies are regarding women. But it's an uncommon
>> occurrence over the course of a week. The reason seems simple:  fewer
>> women's biographies are being nominated by editors, so fewer are promoted,
>> and fewer appear at DYK. It almost goes without saying that fewer women's
>> biographies are created/expanded compared to men's but it's actually
>> important to address this, as IMO, it's the crux of the problem. I am not
>> suggesting and would not support setting limits on the number of men's
>> biographies which appear at DYK. Instead, I'd like to believe that
>> issue/problem recognition is the first step before we brainstorm some
>> objectives, develop workplans (i.e. monthly edit-a-thons anyone?), and
>> measure outcomes.
>>
>> I'm considering creating a proposal and applying for a grant to work on
>> this "percentage issue". Feedback?
>>
>> -Rosie
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rosiestep
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 08:33:58 -0700
From: Siko Bouterse <sbouterse@wikimedia.org>
To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
        participation   of women within Wikimedia projects."
        <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Women's biographies at the main page's DYK
        (Did You Know?) section
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Glad you're raising this issue, Rosie, and thinking about a grant-funded
project to address it seems like a smart plan! Testing new ways for making
engagement with DYK a more regular part of any workshops or other times
where women's biographies are being worked on makes sense to me. My 1 and
only DYK was for a woman's bio, but at the time I didn't know anything
about the process (wouldn't have occurred to me it was something that a
noob working on a short article could be part of). If someone else hadn't
nominated, it wouldn't have happened.


On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Rosiestep Wiki <rosiestep.wiki@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I've noticed this for years -- fewer women's biographies vs. men's in an
> average week at the DYK section of the main page. Maybe I've noticed this
> because I'm a highly prolific contributor to DYK. But I've wondered how
> many reader eyeballs land on the main page and notice the same thing?
>
> Some statistics here:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions
>
> Annually, there's a preponderance of women's biographies in March (Women's
> History Month). And during the rest of the year, there's the occasional set
> (6-7 "hooks") or occasional day (2-3 sets) where the majority of the
> biographies are regarding women. But it's an uncommon occurrence over the
> course of a week. The reason seems simple:  fewer women's biographies are
> being nominated by editors, so fewer are promoted, and fewer appear at DYK.
> It almost goes without saying that fewer women's biographies are
> created/expanded compared to men's but it's actually important to address
> this, as IMO, it's the crux of the problem. I am not suggesting and would
> not support setting limits on the number of men's biographies which appear
> at DYK. Instead, I'd like to believe that issue/problem recognition is the
> first step before we brainstorm some objectives, develop workplans (i.e.
> monthly edit-a-thons anyone?), and measure outcomes.
>
> I'm considering creating a proposal and applying for a grant to work on
> this "percentage issue". Feedback?
>
> -Rosie
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rosiestep
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 21:07:38 -0700
From: Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com>
To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
        participation   of women within Wikimedia projects."
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Subject: [Gendergap] Gender diversity and women's biographies
        discussed in July WMF Research showcase
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This subject was discussed during this month's Research and Data showcase.

>From Leila's summary:

> *Using Open Data and Stories to Broaden Crowd Content
> *By Nathan Matias*:
> Nathan will share a series of research on gender diversity online and
> designs for collaborative content creation that foster learning and
> community. He will also demo a prototype for a system that could leverage
> open data to attract and support new Wikipedia contributors.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E4JcxTgmco

Pine
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 21:11:49 -0700
From: Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com>
To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
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Subject: [Gendergap] Blog post "Creating Safe Spaces"
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Blog post by Mssemantics

https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/14/creating-safe-spaces/

Pine
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