On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Risker <risker.wp@gmail.com> wrote:I am saying that you are questioning the decision of an independent body to select a person for membership in the same way that he questioned the WMF for selecting a person he did not consider appropriate. In short, he sought a non-project sanction for on-project activities/concerns. I do not see a difference between that behaviour, and members of this list seeking a non-project sanction (i.e., removing someone from a chapter Board of Directors) for on-project activities/concerns, particularly when the on-project concern was....well, doing exactly what seems to be proposed here.
<my comment that mixed with Risker's>I agree that we need to be sensitive in general about how we discuss these type of issues on a public mailing list. And in this case since one party to the case is an active participate to this mailing list, we need to take extra caution that we are not only hearing one side of the story.
That said, I don't think that it is actually a parallel comparison. We don't want users escalating disputes by calling employers because it can have loads of negative repercussions for Wikipedia as well as the person who is reported. But I see no reason that users shouldn't take into consideration whether they support having someone who has been banned on one WMF project in a position of trust in a WMF related organization or another wiki. ArbCom does the same type of thing when it vets users for positions of trust such as checkuser. People take into account an users past history when they vote for steward or WMF Board members. So, I don't have a problem with someone raising a concern about it in this situation.
Sydney Poore
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Wikimedia chapters are not beholden to one specific project. There are hundreds of people banned or blocked on one WMF project who are active, respected members of other projects; in fact, even on English Wikipedia, appropriate and valued work in another WMF project or area is usually considered a mitigating factor when a user requests review of a sanction.
(For the record, I am a member of the Arbitration Committee that voted to ban the user in question, and did support a ban.)
Risker/Anne
On 7 October 2011 11:22, Sandra <sandratordonez@gmail.com> wrote:
I dont understand what ur trying to express. Can u possibly clarify.
Are you saying that this person should be allowed to represent the community in an official capacity even though he has been recently banned for inappropriate behavior and breaking community guidelines?
I just want to make sure that im understanding your point of view correctly.I would recommend considerable caution in discussing this issue on this mailing list. One of the key "harassment" issues was that the now-banned user attempted to contact the WMF about another user whom he believed to beemployed by the WMF under some form of grant or contract. It raises an interesting question that some here would think it appropriate to try to affect that person's position in a Wikimedia chapter because of the English Wikipedia ban; it is parallel to the situation for which the user was banned in the first place.
At least one other party under conditional sanctions in the same case is an active and respected member of this mailing list, and I can respect that it would be difficult for that individual to have this matter dissected here. Please proceed with caution.
Risker/AnneOn 7 October 2011 09:55, Sandra ordonez <sandratordonez@gmail.com> wrote:
Currently banned and I think it wasn't that long ago.
lets wait till aude responds to see if there is a way this list can help.On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Michael J. Lowrey <orangemike@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Sandra ordonez <sandratordonez@gmail.com> wrote:Banned in the past, and done their time; or currently banned? I've
> Essentially, that someone has gotten a leadership position in the D.C.
> chapter who has been banned from editing Wikipedia for year for things like
> harassing people, disruptive behavior, and editing problems like copyright
> violations.
worked with ex-cons in the past.
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