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Today's Topics:
1. Re: civility/behavioral standards (B?ria Lima)
2. Re: civility/behavioral standards (George Herbert)
3. Re: civility/behavioral standards (Nathan)
4. Re: civility/behavioral standards (Emily Monroe)
5. Re: civility/behavioral standards (B?ria Lima)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:27:03 -0300
From: B?ria Lima <beria.lima@wikimedia.pt>
To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
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Subject: Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards
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Why do you write in capitals letters?
_____
*B?ria Lima
**Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
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On 8 May 2012 16:19, Emily Monroe <emilymonroe03@gmail.com> wrote:
> Okay. Why DOESN'T Sarah deserve your respect?
>
> From,
> Emily
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:18 PM, B?ria Lima <beria.lima@wikimedia.pt>wrote:
>
>> Obviously not from me, or we would not having this talk.
>> _____
>> *B?ria Lima*
>>
>> *Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
>> livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
>> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
>>
>>
>> On 8 May 2012 16:02, Emily Monroe <emilymonroe03@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sarah has earned respect. Please give it.
>>>
>>> From,
>>> Emily
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:01 PM, B?ria Lima <beria.lima@wikimedia.pt>wrote:
>>>
>>>> And who will make me Emily? How old are we that we need to have people
>>>> sitting on the corner?
>>>>
>>>> And authority and respect is not something that is there for miracle,
>>>> you need to earn it.
>>>> _____
>>>> *B?ria Lima*
>>>>
>>>> *Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
>>>> livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
>>>> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 May 2012 12:46, Emily Monroe <emilymonroe03@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You know what, Beria? At the very least, you will have to respect
>>>>> Sarahs' authority. You're going to have the respect the authority of every
>>>>> moderator, male, female, or other, and respect the right of *everyone* to
>>>>> participate on this list.
>>>>>
>>>>> From,
>>>>> Emily
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:42 AM, B?ria Lima <beria.lima@wikimedia.pt>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, people like her are the only one i will respect to moderate me.
>>>>>> For obvious reasons, I will not accept any moderation coming from Sarah and
>>>>>> I don't think that list should be dominated by a men.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Btw, if someone do more for women than Laura, who had the very idea
>>>>>> of a Woman's Camp (WikiWomenCamp - who already got a daugther - The
>>>>>> AdaCamp) I don't know who should. The fact you like her or not is
>>>>>> irrelevant. (Will you remove Sarah or Sue based on that?)
>>>>>> _____
>>>>>> *B?ria Lima*
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>>>>>> On 8 May 2012 10:52, Thomas Morton <morton.thomas@googlemail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8 May 2012 14:42, B?ria Lima <beria.lima@wikimedia.pt> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I still waiting for see someone else other than him on moderation.
>>>>>>>> Did you already invite Laura?
>>>>>>>> _____
>>>>>>>> *B?ria Lima*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd suggest that Laura is possibly not a good moderator candidate
>>>>>>> given her extremely strong viewpoint; I'd be concerned she would moderate
>>>>>>> posts, for example, on the basis they came from a man, rather than on
>>>>>>> behavioural merits - or at least that this would influence her moderator
>>>>>>> actions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed, her earlier posts on this thread IMO serve as an example of
>>>>>>> divisive material/rants that would need moderator attention.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom
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Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:27:24 -0700
From: George Herbert <george.herbert@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards
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On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Emily Monroe <emilymonroe03@gmail.com> wrote:
> Okay. Why DOESN'T Sarah deserve your respect?
>
> From,
> Emily
I am not comfortable with Beria's stance either, but I don't know that
confronting him on the list over it will help anything.
We have personality conflicts on the list. The moderation should be
independent of that and based on behavior not who likes or dislikes
whom, I hope.
--
-george william herbert
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Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 15:34:01 -0400
From: Nathan <nawrich@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards
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A debate over civility and cultural definitions of due respect could go on
forever and become quite contentious... This seems like it would be a good
opportunity for Kevin or another moderator to step in and kill this thread
before it gets further out of hand.
~Nathan
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Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:34:48 -0500
From: Emily Monroe <emilymonroe03@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards
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Nathan, I agree!
From,
Emily
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Nathan <nawrich@gmail.com> wrote:
> A debate over civility and cultural definitions of due respect could go on
> forever and become quite contentious... This seems like it would be a good
> opportunity for Kevin or another moderator to step in and kill this thread
> before it gets further out of hand.
>
> ~Nathan
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Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:35:04 -0300
From: B?ria Lima <beria.lima@wikimedia.pt>
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Subject: Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards
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George I'm a woman (a young lady if you're from UK)! There are no reason
for you to address me with masculine pronouns ;)
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*B?ria Lima*
*Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
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construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
On 8 May 2012 16:27, George Herbert <george.herbert@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Emily Monroe <emilymonroe03@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Okay. Why DOESN'T Sarah deserve your respect?
> >
> > From,
> > Emily
>
> I am not comfortable with Beria's stance either, but I don't know that
> confronting him on the list over it will help anything.
>
> We have personality conflicts on the list. The moderation should be
> independent of that and based on behavior not who likes or dislikes
> whom, I hope.
>
>
> --
> -george william herbert
> george.herbert@gmail.com
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