Russavia and Andreas, I want to take this opportunity to point out that the style of argument the two of you have been engaged in since last night is exactly what some of us mean when we refer to an "aggressive" atmosphere that makes us uncomfortable on the projects. Turning a disagreement over how to apply policy into "you are" this, and "two years ago you said" that, and "your friend's boss once did" this other thing, all in an attempt to discredit the other person, is not a constructive way to make one's own point. It doesn't actually strengthen either side's argument; it only escalates the entire dispute.

It is entirely possible to disagree - vehemently - without the ad hominems, the "dirt digging" background research, and general aggressive posturing we're seeing here. In an atmosphere where one doesn't feel one can disagree with someone without being subjected to those things, the idea of speaking up, or even of participating silently, becomes increasingly unattractive.

-Fluff

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 3:09 AM, Russavia <russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello again Andreas

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen466@gmail.com> wrote:

> If you look at the upload stream, they come up quite regularly, including
> images of minors, uploaded again and again under different user names,
> according to a mail I received from Philippe a couple of months ago. I'm
> told Flickr delete those within two hours; if true, that is significantly
> faster than the Wikimedia response.

You are wrong yet again. I am speaking from experience here, and
"inappropriate" images have been removed within minutes of them being
brought to our attention. Odder, a Commons oversighter also verifies
this at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Making_it_easier_for_problematic_files_to_be_brought_to_our_attention
where he states:

"as all reports of potentially illegal content are responded to within
a few hours (sometimes even minutes), which is much better than the 12
hours than Flickr takes pride in."

12 hours being the length of time it was quoted by one of your cohorts.

Also, Andreas, for someone who is so interested in Commons and having
images removed and having a streamlined reporting process, it is most
curious as to why you haven't commented in that thread above, and
added your support to it.

Or is it easier to ignore the fact that we on Commons are being
pro-active in issues such as this and keep peddling "OMG COMMONS IS
BROKEN" in venues such as this.

Any other reports you have to make are also best done on Commons, so
that our admins can deal with them within our processes. I believe
this has been told to you on numerous occasions now, amirite?

Your contribs (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jayen466)
and deleted contribs
(http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Jayen466)
clearly demonstrate that it is more important for you to troll off the
project, than it is do anything remotely useful on the project.

Regards,

Russavia

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