I never asked Caroline to leave the mailing list. I was merely
making a suggestion. For example, when I became overwhelmed by the
traffic on Foundation-L, I went to digest with it. A mere suggestion
is not a request for anyone to leave.
It's a shame that my posts have been so bothersome for the list, I
never knew that I was only making things worse, or not helping at
all.
Sarah
On 12/25/11 10:32 AM, Béria Lima wrote:
I must
say, you are the first person to openly complain, and if
others feel strongly about it I can cease sharing content that
I think needs urgent help or peer review.
Well, I second Caroline. I already said this in Foundation-l but
again: I don't think that delete pictures of Wikipe-tan, remove a
vagina from the article with the same name or create a article for
a female pimp (only to mention a few cases I remember now) are the
way we will solve gender gap. So yes, please stop post this here,
or use the wikiEN-l
mailing list.
And Sarah, this "If you don't like you can sign the digest mode"
sounds rude to me, as if you are inviting her to leave. (I'm not a
english native, but that is how appears to me)
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I apologize if my occasional posting of an "interesting"
article in English Wikipedia has been a burden, deterrent,
or has went against the "goal" of this mailing list for you.
Since I have joined, it has been something we have been
doing, and the past month or so the list has been rather
quiet compared to other times in the past. In the past, when
we have shared articles of questionable matter, subject,
sexism, or other issues, we've had great success of working
together or independently to improve those articles, and
often those improvements have been done by women who are on
this list, which is very cool. I of course urge folks in any
language to share content, however, with most Wikipedia
mailing lists, systematic "language" bias does exist, as
many are in English, though I know that was not the main
point of your post.
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll probably start out
discussing it on the talk page of the article and also the
project page.
Again, I apologize if my own interests in article
improvement in English Wikipedia have deterred or went
against the mission of this mailing list. I must say, you
are the first person to openly complain, and if others feel
strongly about it I can cease sharing content that I think
needs urgent help or peer review. As you did state, we could
be pointing out issues of sexism all the time, however,
sometimes I feel there are things of interest to the broader
community, or something that might interest someone. (And
while it has mainly been me lately, if you explore the
history of the mailing list it's usually not just me
flooding up your mailbox =) )
I also must add, my sharing of articles of interest and
concern have wielded nothing but positive on.Wiki
improvement of these subjects, which for me, means the
closing of the gender gap in a different manner - one more
subject area related to women or women's history which is
covered in a more equal and respectful manner.
We also offer, as you probably know, a digest mode, so, if
this list is too busy for you (I think we are rather minimal
these days, compared to lists such as internal-l and
foundation-l) that might be something to consider. I'm glad
you have joined and chosen to participate, and I am really
sorry if my posts have been intruding.
Sarah
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On 12/25/11 5:59 AM, Caroline Becker wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm sorry that my first post on the gender-gap
list is a little mean. I'm a wikipedia-fr admin,
active member of Wikimédia France chapter and a
member of the OTRS team. Yet, since I've joined
gender-gap a week early, I receive more mails from
this list than all the other lists together. I'm
also not a native English speaker, which means every
mail takes me a little longer of my time.
I thought the goal of this list was to discuss
about women on wikimedia projects and how to attract
new ones. I don't think it is useful to point out
every single piece of sexism from en-wikipedia, in
articles and discussion pages, for that. Or start http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap/en-wikipedia.
I could point out sexism comments from fr-wikipedia
every day, but I'm really not sure it is a
constructive thing to do.
I'm doing a bit of fiddling with some articles
related to sexuality and came across an article
about a madam [[Polly Adler]]. The word "madam"
was linked to [[pimp]]. While the article opens
mentioning that a woman who runs a brothel is
called a madam, it's an extremely male dominated
article and focuses on the violent and sordid
world of "being a pimp," for lack of better
words.
I, frankly, would love to see madam have
it's own article. Perhaps we should discuss it
on the "pimp" page or just BE BOLD. (I don't
have time to start a well fleshed out madam
article, but, I'd be interested in perhaps
collaborating with others to do it.)
Thoughts?
-Sarah
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