Jim,

Sorry, I should have been clearer -- I didn't mean to take issue with the original post (which raises a worthy point), merely to introduce another dimension that I learned about only recently, which came as a surprise. It's possible that the NY Times does a good job of maintaining a clear line between editorial and paid content; but the Boston Globe, which is owned by the NY Times, does not do that very well, and I suspect that is common of "medium-large" papers.

Gender bias in obituaries is a worthy topic unto itself. Just wanted to establish that not everything most people think of as an "obituary" is actually an obituary.

Pete
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On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 6:32 PM, J Hayes <slowking4@gmail.com> wrote:
pete, 
the article linked is listing NYTimes, WashPost, and LATimes.
not the paid notices
there seems to be no process to systematically incorporate these, even when they provide strong support for notability.

cheers

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 9:15 PM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth@gmail.com> wrote:
At least in the USA, we have to be cautious about "what is an obituary." Newspapers also run "death notices" which (both in print and online) look much like obituaries, but are actually paid advertisements. I'm not even certain that the terminology ("obituary"=editorial, "death notice"=paid ad) is consistent across news outlets, I'm just reflecting what I learned from the specific papers I dealt with after my dad died.

Any "systemic bias" in death notices would therefore consider a much bigger/more complex system than simply the editorial powers-that-be. You'd have to also consider what drives families to pay for death notices for some people more than others.

-Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 6:07 PM, J Hayes <slowking4@gmail.com> wrote:
some obits are not behind paywall.
a reference to do list would make good work.

maybe we could get Mietchen or Magnus to make an automated list article / category "list of people with obituaries"

cheers


On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 2:31 AM, Neotarf <neotarf@gmail.com> wrote:
Links to lists in major news outlets (NYT, BBC, LA TImes, Toronto Star, etc.) along with commentary on gender bias in obits:
http://forward.com/sisterhood/330631/for-women-gender-bias-continues-even-in-death/

The three women listed in the article do have WP articles.  It would take some digging--paywalls, registration, etc,--to see if any of the other women do not yet have articles.

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