On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Sarah <slimvirgin@gmail.com> wrote:


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen466@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip> Erik said, 

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Even if they are uploaded in good faith ("I put them on Flickr with permission and now I'm uploading them to Commons"), it's still desirable to ask for evidence of consent specifically for uploading to Commons, because publishing a photo of a person in the nude in Flickr's NSFW ghetto is quite different from having that same photograph on Commons and potentially used on Wikipedia.

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<snip> Erik's interpretation, which I believe reflects the intent of the board resolution.

We need to be careful here. Does Erik's statement of what is desirable (the word he used) truly read to you as an interpretation of the resolution? I think not. In fact, Erik has used similar language ("consent to be photographed") on this very list. Speaking of what is desirable is a very different thing than interpreting a resolution.

Meanwhile, we still have the issue that the resolution does not address what is being consented to. It's plain English, and it's simply not stated. Trying to interpret something that is simply not there doesn't seem like a good use of our time.

But pushing to develop and pass a more helpfully-worded resolution does.
-Pete
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Hi Pete, COM:IDENT makes clear that consent to be photographed isn't enough:


"Consent to have one's photograph taken does not permit the photographer to do what they like with the image. ... The photographer and uploader must satisfy themselves that, when it is required, the consent given is appropriate for uploading to Commons."

That's the current guideline. If this were enforced, it would cut down on a large percentage of the cases we're seeing, where there's no evidence of consent to a release of the kind needed for Commons.

Sarah

Yes, I agree with everything you say.

I would only hasten to say: it seems that you are taking it as a given that it is NOT enforced. But it is. Perhaps not everywhere, but in some cases (as we deal with a firehose of images) it is enforced. Those tend to be the case in which (like in your recent one) somebody takes the time to write up a good deletion nomination.

But basically, I agree that the Commons policy offers (somewhat) useful language. I think this offers a good contrast to Board resolution.

These problems are solvable; but the more we approach them by pointing fingers, the further we get from a solution.
-Pete