Seeing Sarah's question on safe
space, I remembered I had something in draft that should test the
concept.
For a change I actually watched the video below; here are my
reaction comments, though not a systematic review of her talk.
Quotes mean it's pretty much what she said, no quotes mean it's me
opining unless otherwise characterized...
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Original message: An interesting talk by Alyssa Wright on the
gender gap at OpenStreetMap:
http://vimeopro.com/openstreetmapus/state-of-the-map-us-2013/video/68098504
My response:
Comments as listening - because now and then we females have to
let it all hang out here....:
* First time I ever heard of Open Street Map
* She talks about "Open Source and community." IMHO, Open source
is not really a community if it's anonymous. Community is based on
truth. With anonymity, people can lie about who they are, what
their job and education and interests and COIs are, what
sex/gender they are, whether or not they are law enforcement
spies, whether they are a sock who got kicked off before for bad
behavior, whether their collaborator/colleague is a meat puppet,
etc etc etc. It's one of the reasons I've gotten particularly fed
up with Wikipedia in recent weeks and stopped watching the most
controversial/time consuming articles, cutting down my editing 90%
.
(And just as I was getting to point where my # of edits would be
in the top 2000 editors; maybe I'll do vandalism clean up for a
few weeks, she said pounding her ample breasts
On the other hand I
finally have time to start transferring my embarrassingly old
fashioned websites over to a more modern format, so I'm not
totally complaining...
* "Lack of rules makes discrimination easier" - interesting...
[[Tyranny of Structurelessness]] is one of the articles I watch.
I like spontaneous order and participatory, consensus oriented
democracy, but I've also seen no rules and minimal rules abused by
cliques in activist groups. Wikipedia has fairly good rules, but
too few people willing to come to noticeboards where they are
discussed and enforced. (Especially if a female has complaints
about editors perceived to be male?)
* She mentions "Incentive and motivation award gap" -- Hoo YA!
While some women get off on the competition for dominance as an
incentive and "victory" as a reward, most have different
motivations...
* "Different Communication Styles not discussed enough" -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_Tannen
has an article on woman who introduced a discussion on that 20
plus years ago; article has "needs refs" tag...
* She mentions "Active hostility towards women". She should have
(may have?) added: only the one's with their own ideas, especially
if they dare speak them and, worse crime of all, disagree with
some alpha male.
* "Women who want to be part of community" But should they want to
belong if it's not really a community? If you value your time and
stress levels (which I've started to do lately), run from the
articles run by alpha males and POV pushers who get away with
murder no matter how many noticeboards you take them to. Just do
the minimal on "Dick-free" articles of interest to you where you
can use it for own purposes... (As in my now favorite wiki essay:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_a_dick
)
* She talks about her experience of community rejection of child
care tag for child care centers (the male argument being
kindergarden tag was sufficient for all types of child care) -
even though the male editors had been happy to approve a variety
of tags for sexually oriented venues. My snide comment
removed...
* She talks about "Creating a knowledge base to represent the
world..." and "Open source not a utopia" I'm learning wordpress
now.. I hear that on sloppy organization and even worse technical
support; unless I haven't ferreted out the right help pages
yet.... (Luckily I'm on godaddy which squanders their profits
letting us call up and ask the questions which the online manuals
don't answer too well.)
* Talks about "Converting white males..." ROTFL x 88..... Another
of my snide comments removed...
* "Stop being ass holes" she flashes on her big screen - see
around 15 minutes in... Hoo Yah!!
*(Per Sarah's comment, I ask: Why can't we just make this a "how
to convert white males from being assholes" email list group??? Or
start a separate one on that topic. (I wrote at first draft of
this "the most liberating concept to jump out of my brain of
late...")
* She talks about what I call the "either they ignore you or
attack you syndrome..." (I've found overtime on male dominated
lists they usually ignore me when I make a positive contribution -
unless they find some minor point that annoys me and attack me for
that. Over time I've gotten in the habit of just dropping some
bomb of subtle or not so subtle commentary that I know will get
them crazy and then sitting back and laughing my ass off at their
immature and predictable tantrums. (Not this post, of course,
since these phenomena ARE the topic of this list!)
* Re her studies of two different OSM mailing lists, her comments,
not final conclusions: It's not just about openness but who's
participating; not just collaboration -- but how people are
working together; re: participation-- are women actually creating
messages? She found that on one OSM email list, even when the
number of women grew, men still do most of the talking. On
another one where there were more women and they spoke out more.
(I don't feel like going back to see if she had an explanation
that I missed; perhaps something about critical mass?)
Q&A session: couldn't hear questions but her Italian Prime
Minister comment response evidently was a relevant and amusing
reply to some somewhat sexist question; she briefly mentions
Wikipedia surveys in context of her studies; "a woman asked a
question!!!" she says when one finally does; and she agrees with
whatever the woman said and wants to continue discussion in
another forum.
Hopeful for constructive response to whatever... Carol in dc