Carol, I know you feel aggrieved in this situation, but I would ask you to please consider stepping away from this conversation. This conversation is making the list look like it's populated not by gendergap closers, but nasty people who enjoy being nasty for the sake of feeling special. And that characterization is not because of what Thomas has been writing - it's from what you've been writing. Frankly I would rather fork to a list populated by people who speak and act like him than stay on a list dominated by people who speak and act like you. It would be more likely to accomplish our goal than this list. And to pre-empt a possible reply, I'm saying this not because I'm a brainwashed, patriarchy-dominated woman who thinks men have rights to speak that you don't, but because I am someone who feels NO ONE has the right to attack others like you've been doing, no matter what minority you do it in the name of.

I know the list mods have been trying to keep a hands-off approach to members, but it's really reached the point for me where I feel nothing good can be accomplished on this list if its level of discourse is allowed to stay where it is.

-Fluff

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Carol Moore DC <carolmooredc@verizon.net> wrote:
On 8/26/2012 5:33 PM, Emily Monroe wrote:
It's probably better to avoid arguments of tone online, even if it's a tone you want to avoid yourself, because it's way too easy to misinterpret without tonal inflection, or other bits of non-verbal body language. You may have misinterpreted the tone you're trying to criticize, or they may have misinterpreted what you're trying to say.


Excellent point.

I said questionable without defining what I meant.

He said "not nice" which I took as a personal slur.

I made a joke about what I WOULD have said if I was NOT being nice.

Someone others took that as my actual position which it was not.

My actual was reaction was that PERHAPS those young guys who get their questionable jollies AfDing new articles like it was a video game had just shot down three articles of interest to women - none of which I named, merely shared the link to Feminist Wikiproject list.  I didn't pay attention to who did the AfDs and didn't really think about that issue at all.

That was as far as my analysis went in the 45 seconds it took me to send the message.

Sorry for what obviously was an extreme criminal act in some people's eyes!!

Women, make sure you take at least an hour before posting here to make sure there isn't a single word - and especially no JOKES - that anyone could possible misinterpret.

CM


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