As it's currently drafted, I believe this approach is a complete non-starter (for the reasons that Rillke and I described on the talk page: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Reporting_abuse ).

I do think there is a possible version of this that would work, and think it's a good avenue to pursue. But it seems to me that putting the resources of technical implementation or legal evaluation in is very premature. What we need is a revised proposal that will work without massively scaling up the amount of staff time devoted to evaluating requests (practical concern) or substantially shifting the editorial function of evaluating requests from volunteer to staff (philosophical concern).

In the meantime, I've nominated a number of files for deletion on grounds of lack of explicit consent, most of which have been successful. I believe a solid collection of decisions based on real-life examples will do a lot to inform any technical or procedural innovations.

I may blog about this soon, since I know this kind of approach ends up being rather opaque to many of the people interested in the issue. I'll inform the list when I get that posted.

-Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]


On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj@gmail.com> wrote:
Was there any more input from legal about this?  The page currently
has a note that legal is looking at it, but it seems Rilke is waiting
on that feedback.

Regards,
Sam

On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Geoff Brigham <gbrigham@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Hi Lennart,
>
> Thank you for calling this out.   You raise an extremely valid point.   I
> have asked Luis to follow this project, so I am including him here so he can
> follow.   I'm also including Michelle, who historically has been dealing
> with these kinds of reports for legal.
>
> Appreciate your raising the issue,
>
> Geoff
>
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson
> <l_guldbrandsson@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> +1 on SJ's comment, and I think Pete made some excellent points on the
>> talk page. For instance: How would this affect the legal team's paid staff
>> time if we place a big red button under each image? I have cc:ed Geoff since
>> he may not be aware of the question.
>>
>> But I would also like to say that this is very well worth checking out.
>> This is the template that is suggested right now (feel free to edit):
>>
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:ReportAbuse
>>
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Lennart Guldbrandsson
>>
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>> > Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 19:58:20 -0400
>> > From: meta.sj@gmail.com
>> > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] [Commons] "Flag this image" prototype
>> >
>> > Interesting. Thanks for the heads-up! SJ
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 4:29 AM, Erik Moeller <erik@wikimedia.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > > Sorry to those who are tired of the image/consent discussions, but
>> > > just wanted to bring this to this list's attention as well.
>> > >
>> > > I'm tagging this thread with "[Commons]" and suggest others do the
>> > > same in future to make it easier for people who do not want to discuss
>> > > Commons or who feel inundated with the subject matter to filter these
>> > > messages. Also, if you're using Google Mail, you can "mute" a thread
>> > > (under the "More" options after you open the thread) and you won't see
>> > > any future responses in your inbox -- other email clients have similar
>> > > features.
>> > >
>> > > Quick notes about an interesting development:
>> > >
>> > > * User:Rillke on Commons has started prototyping a gadget that could
>> > > be used to simplify reporting of various issues with images with a
>> > > simple "Flag this image" workflow. This discussion is on the Commons
>> > > Village Pump.
>> > >
>> > > I've brought that discussion to the attention of WMF legal. Note: It's
>> > > not like the current workflow is completely broken -- the
>> > > Commons:Contact_us flow is actually pretty good -- but a nicer UI and
>> > > more prominent placement could help. The current workflow also does
>> > > not provide an option for consent issues.
>> > >
>> > > * I've summarized the current state of his prototype here:
>> > >
>> > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Reporting_abuse
>> > >
>> > > On the talk page I've also recommended that consent to be displayed in
>> > > an image be considered in the reporting options.
>> > >
>> > > I'm sure Rillke would appreciate any active development help with the
>> > > feature, as well as continued feedback and encouragement (WikiLove?)
>> > > which is crucial for volunteer motivation.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Erik
>> > >
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