Tom, I agree with your concern. But if the principle is that we should enforce the board resolution anywhere it applies, we should simply delete this photo without needing OTRS, right? It's an issue of who's obligated to do what. The board resolution clearly states that if there is no demonstration of consent, the file must be deleted. So the subject shouldn't even need to assert her dissent for the deletion to go through, if we're to be true to the resolution.

This gets problematic pretty quickly, though, when you think about the huge number of innocuous and useful images of people in private places on Wikipedia and other projects. For instance, when the Wikimedia Foundation published a photo of me on its site, of course they consulted me before publishing it, and I gave my consent; but that is not reflected in the Commons file, there's no way for the viewer to know whether I consented or not. So going by the letter of the resolution, this (and most other Wikimedia Foundation staff photos) would have to be deleted: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Foundation_Pete_Forsyth.jpg

-Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]

p.s. I just noticed there is more of a history to the Karen Stollznow file than I remembered. Looks like it was uploaded more than once:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Karen_Stollznow_1.jpg


On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 7:46 AM, Tom Morris <tom@tommorris.org> wrote:
On Friday, 10 May 2013 at 15:23, Pete Forsyth wrote:
> I think it's easier to discuss the challenges associated with the board resolution in question, if we can leave aside the question of nudity for a moment. Here is a simple example of an ordinary portrait taken in a (presumably) private setting in a library:
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Karen_Stollznow_2.jpg
>
> The subject of the photo (as far as we know) explicitly stated she did *not* give consent. But the closing administrator didn't consider that compelling enough.
>
> What would be a good outcome in this case?

The only problem I have in this situation is that anyone could come on, register a username on Commons and say "Hi, I'm XYZ, I didn't consent to my image being taken and used on Wikipedia, please delete."

Ideally, we'd do this through OTRS rather than on-wiki so we can confirm that the people requesting deletion are who they say they are.

Until we have enough people to handle these issues, we should err on the side of caution - in this case, probably deleting.

--
Tom Morris
<http://tommorris.org/>



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