On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Derric Atzrott <datzrott@alizeepathology.com> wrote:

* bring back Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance since women may not want to got to WP:ANI for low grade constant nonsense

Would support wholeheartedly.

The problem with Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance was the same as the problem with AN/I. As soon as someone took a complaint to Wikiquette_assistance people like Baseball Bugs would make fun of them for being too sensitive and it would basically turn into forum for criticizing the person who complained. No one at Wikiquette_assistance took complaints seriously, so it just ended up making things more frustrating for the person who was being harassed.

If we want a forum that is more effective, I think we should adopt some of the ideas from the Teahouse. Primarily, by having the responders be vetted volunteers that are expected to provide a minimum level of helpfulness. All the peanut gallery responders who are just there for the lulz should be banned.

Ryan Kaldari

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Derric Atzrott <datzrott@alizeepathology.com> wrote:

* bring back Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance since women may not want to got to WP:ANI for low grade constant nonsense

Would support wholeheartedly.

* take complaints about harassment in general more seriously

Also would support wholeheartedly.

* Have a "class action" Arbitration on Sexism/Double standards so that discretionary sanctions could be imposed on obvious incidents

Strong support.

* (new one) quota of 1/3 women admins and 1/3 women arbitrators (and other positions?)

I’m not sure this would be enforceable, but I would highly support encouraging more women to take up these positions.  The process for becoming an admin or arbitrator really needs some work as well.  From what I understand becoming an admin is hellish.  People dig through everything you’ve ever done and call you out on anything going all the way back to the beginning of time.  It might not actually be that way, I’ve not really participated in them, but if it is, that is a problem and probably a big deterrent to a great deal of folks.

* (new one) A GenderGap wikiproject on every wiki, since it can be troublesome having to go all the way to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap to contact women about what to do with specific issues; (wikiprojects like feminism and gender and womens studies more article and policy related than recruitment and problem solving related)

Would support.  Given that many people don’t ever leave their homewiki, and a lot of new people probably don’t even know Meta exists, this could be highly beneficial.

The archives probably have other early suggestions by women I've forgotten.  Now a days the only alternatives seem to be doing studies, counting numbers, posting mainstream media articles about what Wikipedia is allegedly doing and links to problematic articles.

Not enough to solve the problem.

Studies are useful.  This particular study shows promise I think: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Women_and_Wikipedia For allies these sorts of things help us understand what we are actually trying to accomplish and metrics are useful for determining if we’ve actually made any progress.  It is hard to quantitatively measure a culture though.  This sort of research also publicises the problem, which is something that there can never be enough of I think.

Maybe it would be worth making threads for some of these ideas.  If no one else does, I’d be happy to.

Thank you,
Derric Atzrott

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