Hi Carole,

But if you ask people to lurk out of camera shot and not ask questions unless they are willing to have them taped aren't you making them second class participants at that event?

Better in my view to create an edited taped version, and if someone isn't prepared to be in the final cut try to resolve their objections. It may be they are OK if a narrator says their words and their face is pixellated, or perhaps they need their bit replaced by a shot of someone reacting to their words and the narrator saying "a participant gave a personal example of harassment"

On 14 July 2015 at 13:40, Carol Moore dc <carolmooredc@verizon.net> wrote:

I definitely understand Risker's point, but despite my jokes about metaphorical "gang bang at Wikipedia", this really isn't a discussion of personal violence and assault, but of organized political intimidation. And we should feel free to speak out about that and make sure lots of people hear us. Otherwise we are just victimizing ourselves by embracing our oppression instead of fighting it.

Having attended some such events at Wikimania 2012, and seen the issues discussed at least briefly in one or more taped presentations, off hand I don't remember any guys being really obnoxious. (I do remember the story of the NYC event where guys WERE being obnoxious, however.) Hopefully, they are NOT becoming more organized like the guys who disrupted the Gender Gap Task Force.

Probably the best thing is to discuss whether to tap and let participants decide and if only a few object they can stay out of camera range and ask any comments they make not be taped. That is done at a lot of different events.

On 7/13/2015 10:46 PM, Risker wrote:

On 13 July 2015 at 21:37, Carol Moore dc <carolmooredc@verizon.net
<mailto:carolmooredc@verizon.net>> wrote:

On 7/13/2015 3:50 PM, Valerie Aurora wrote:

Hi folks,

Several people have asked whether the Ally Skills Workshop will
be an
unpleasant experience for women attending - specifically,
whether men
will dominate the conversation, dismiss what women say, etc. We
spend
the first 20 minutes of the workshop setting up discussion rules so
that this doesn't happen - in fact, the workshop is real-world
practice in how to have a discussion in ways that give women an
equal
chance to be respectfully heard.

Make sure you tape it and they all know it will be going up online?

I hope not, or it will really, really change the willingness of
participants to share their experiences and stories. In some cases it
would have the effect of revictimizing the victims.

I can sympathize with your wish to see how it goes, Carol - I'll be in a
required session a few doors down the hall while this takes place,
although I'd really like to participate. But from the bigger picture, I
think it's better that the session not be publicly accessible.

Risker/Anne

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