Hi. I actually brought up the issues with the references. While the second article about the car is not self-published, it does not state in the article that Danese is related to the owner of the vehicle or is named after. While she leaves a comment thanking them for the information about the Nardi-Danese Alfa Romeo Roadster, it is not cited in the article. The latter part I'd consider self-published (her post). Perhaps I'm wrong.

The other source is also from forums, which I also think are considered self-published. Again, I could be wrong in this?

On another note, I think it'd be really great to see your families writing documented. Perhaps there are other options for their release into the Wiki world. Perhaps even Commons, by making oral history recordings.

I hate being Debbie Downer, I just know that if it's not cited appropriately, it'll be questioned. If someone wants to add the information, go for it. I already did my part to re-write the article, and Fred lent a hand too.

:D

Sarah

On 4/14/2011 3:12 PM, Susan Spencer wrote:

Fred,

I agree with you.
Especially with handkraft information, there won't be 'references'.
You can't reference what your grandmother or great-grandmother taught you.
Same is true with fairytales or folklore.
I'd like to post some of the Irish tales my grandmother taught me.
I haven't seen them published. It would be a shame for them to die
because some bonehead decided there should be a published 'reference'.
Which means I won't be able to post what I know, what isn't in any of the
hundreds of sewing books I own, from the 19th century til 2011.
So, I'm rethinking my plans of eventual posting. I don't want to get caught in a shit storm.
What I love is what I love, I don't want it spoiled by argument.

Plus Danese's article about the car wasn't self-published, so where's the catch?
Let it stand...

- Susan

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:48:09 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Fred Bauder" <fredbaud@fairpoint.net>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting,
needs investigating
To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects"
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> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 13:35, Sarah Stierch <sarah@sarahstierch.com>
> wrote:
>> Wow, the talk page is insane, and is one reason why I "gave up" in the
>> beginning.
>>
>> I might take a stab on my own userspace to re-write this article. I'm
>> somewhat addicted fixing crappy BLP's. Perhaps I'll send it your way
>> (here)
>> before I post it.
>>
> Could someone say again which article and talk page we're discussing?
> I've looked at this one --
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper -- but can't see the issue.
> Ditto with the talk page.
>
> Sarah

Here is the removal of the information about knitting:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=347000261&oldid=345360328

Removed again:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=347000261&oldid=345360328

This is where it was put in:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=prev&oldid=341488635

Seems harmless enough, and hardly requires a substantial reference.

Fred
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