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Today's Topics:
1. Rosiestep in Huffington Post (yay good news) (Sarah Stierch)
2. Re: Rosiestep in Huffington Post (yay good news) (Jane Darnell)
3. Tim Berners-Lee says Net 'less free and more unequal'
(marinka marinkavandam.com)
4. Re: Google Group invite (Russavia)
5. Fwd: FemTechNet NYC Wikipedia Workshop / Edit-a-thon at
Barnard, Friday (12/12) 6-9pm (Sarah Stierch)
6. Re: Google Group invite (Kevin Gorman)
7. Re: Google Group invite (reguyla@gmail.com)
8. Re: Rosiestep in Huffington Post (yay good news) (LB)
9. ya'll are in slate (Sarah Stierch)
10. Re: Rosiestep in Huffington Post (yay good news) (Siko Bouterse)
11. Re: ya'll are in slate (LB)
12. Re: ya'll are in slate (Risker)
13. Tor on harassment (Samuel Klein)
14. Re: Rosiestep in Huffington Post (yay good news) (Christine Meyer)
15. Re: ya'll are in slate (Carol Moore dc)
16. Re: Tor on harassment (Carol Moore dc)
17. Re: ya'll are in slate (Carol Moore dc)
18. Re: ya'll are in slate (reguyla@gmail.com)
19. Re: ya'll are in slate (Risker)
20. Re: ya'll are in slate (reguyla@gmail.com)
21. Re: ya'll are in slate (marinka marinkavandam.com)
22. Re: ya'll are in slate (Carol Moore dc)
23. Carolmooredc's talk page now made uneditable (Fæ)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 10:01:23 -0800
From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com>
To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
participation of women within Wikimedia projects."
<gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Gendergap] Rosiestep in Huffington Post (yay good news)
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yay rays of sunshine :)
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/netha-hussain/rosie-stephenson-the-woma_b_6302636.html
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 19:19:03 +0100
From: Jane Darnell <jane023@gmail.com>
To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
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Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Rosiestep in Huffington Post (yay good news)
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How nice!
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> yay rays of sunshine :)
>
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/netha-hussain/rosie-stephenson-the-woma_b_6302636.html
>
> --
>
> Sarah Stierch
>
> -----
>
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>
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 13:58:39 -0500 (EST)
From: "marinka marinkavandam.com" <marinka@marinkavandam.com>
To: gendergap <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Gendergap] Tim Berners-Lee says Net 'less free and more
unequal'
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 02:17:21 +0800
From: Russavia <russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com>
To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
participation of women within Wikimedia projects."
<gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Google Group invite
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Thanks to those who have sent me the info on the list. I've reported
it for "spam" and "other" -- unfortunately Google doesn't appear to
let you add any comments.
If anyone is still a member of the list and they make the membership
list available check to see if this "Russavia" is
russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com
All I am seeing there is:
"You must be a member of this group to view and participate in it.
Apply for membership or contact the owner.
Report this group"
Also, I've left a message for Leigh over on Meta at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Leigh_Honeywell#Gender_gap_mailing_list
noting also that I am on moderation on this list. I don't know who did
that or why, I wasn't advised about it, but if it was due to this case
it'd be great to have that lifted as well.
Thanks.
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Marie Earley <eiryel@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I got one and thought, "Wait a minute, doesn't that get you into trouble?"
> I've unsubscribed too. If I was ever going to burn my bridges I would do it
> in a more considered and constructive way than something like that.
>
> Marie
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:21:35 -0500
> From: risker.wp@gmail.com
> To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Google Group invite
>
> I got one and promptly unsubscribed. I don't do google groups, and every
> time someone has invited me to one, I've found they were not to my taste.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
> On 1 December 2014 at 02:08, Alison Cassidy <cooties@mac.com> wrote:
>
> I didn't get one. Now, I feel .... cheated! :D
>
> -- Allie
>
> On Nov 30, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Leigh Honeywell <leigh@hypatia.ca> wrote:
>
> Someone purporting to be Russavia appears to have added a number of people
> from this list to a Google Group with a similar title to this list. Wearing
> my mod hat, I just want to be clear: this list isn't going anywhere, the
> Google Group is not WMF-sanctioned as far as I know, and scraping list
> members to add people to a third-party mailing list is terrible netiquette
> that will get you kicked off this list.
>
> -Leigh
>
>
>
> --
> Leigh Honeywell
> http://hypatia.ca
> @hypatiadotca
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 16:28:38 -0800
From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com>
To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
participation of women within Wikimedia projects."
<gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Gendergap] Fwd: FemTechNet NYC Wikipedia Workshop /
Edit-a-thon at Barnard, Friday (12/12) 6-9pm
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see below..
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Veronica Paredes <vaparedes@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:26 PM
Subject: FemTechNet NYC Wikipedia Workshop / Edit-a-thon at Barnard, Friday
(12/12) 6-9pm
To: femtechnet@umich.edu
Hi FemTechNet,
If you are in the New York City area and interested in learning more about
Wikipedia editing, please consider joining us this Friday evening at
Barnard College for a FemTechNet Wikipedia workshop.
*FemTechNet NYC Wikipedia Workshop and Edit-a-thon*
*with Stephanie Rosen & Veronica Paredes*
Friday, December 12, 2014
6:00-9:00pm
222 Milbank Hall, Barnard College <http://barnard.edu/visit/campus-map>
120th St. and Broadway, NYC
A collaborative event hosted by Barnard College Library, School of Media
Studies at The New School, and the Brooklyn Institute for Social Research.
This workshop will focus on the gender gap in Wikipedia through short
lessons, discussion, and hands-on editing. Please register
<http://goo.gl/forms/48iWSM3sKc> to reserve a space at our event (*all
welcome*!), and see our Wikipedia Meetup page
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/FemTechNet> for information
on remote participation and updates on agenda items. For more information,
contact Stephanie Rosen at ssrosen (at) gmail (dot) com. Remote
participants can attend via BlueJeans video conferencing, please email for
link.
** *Building info: *Wheelchair accessible entrance at 119 St. entrance on
Clermont Ave. / Gender neutral restrooms
<http://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/oma/gnmap> available on 1st floor
of Milbank Hall. **
========
*Full links:*
Registration
http://goo.gl/forms/RAKZXssZ5Q
Meetup Page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/FemTechNet
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 11:07:24 -0800
From: Kevin Gorman <kgorman@gmail.com>
To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
participation of women within Wikimedia projects."
<gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Google Group invite
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Sorry for not letting your message through sooner Russavia, for some reason
it didn't show up in the queue until today (the queue was completely empty
yesterday.) You aren't on +mod over this, though I'd have to look back to
remember why you were (and I'd be surprised if we didn't tell you at the
time.)
FWIW: I know who set up the list and it wasn't Russavia and wasn't anyone
with an interest in gendergap issues. I've been having major health issues
and know I'm not on the ball on this one, but would advise not engaging
with anyone affiliated with the alternate list. The group that created it
is a group that has harrassed ENWP editors irl in serious ways in the past
and present.
----
Kevin Gorman
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Russavia <russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thanks to those who have sent me the info on the list. I've reported
> it for "spam" and "other" -- unfortunately Google doesn't appear to
> let you add any comments.
>
> If anyone is still a member of the list and they make the membership
> list available check to see if this "Russavia" is
> russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com
>
> All I am seeing there is:
>
> "You must be a member of this group to view and participate in it.
>
> Apply for membership or contact the owner.
>
> Report this group"
>
> Also, I've left a message for Leigh over on Meta at
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Leigh_Honeywell#Gender_gap_mailing_list
> noting also that I am on moderation on this list. I don't know who did
> that or why, I wasn't advised about it, but if it was due to this case
> it'd be great to have that lifted as well.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Marie Earley <eiryel@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I got one and thought, "Wait a minute, doesn't that get you into
> trouble?"
> > I've unsubscribed too. If I was ever going to burn my bridges I would do
> it
> > in a more considered and constructive way than something like that.
> >
> > Marie
> >
> > ________________________________
> > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:21:35 -0500
> > From: risker.wp@gmail.com
> > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Google Group invite
> >
> > I got one and promptly unsubscribed. I don't do google groups, and every
> > time someone has invited me to one, I've found they were not to my taste.
> >
> > Risker/Anne
> >
> > On 1 December 2014 at 02:08, Alison Cassidy <cooties@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > I didn't get one. Now, I feel .... cheated! :D
> >
> > -- Allie
> >
> > On Nov 30, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Leigh Honeywell <leigh@hypatia.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Someone purporting to be Russavia appears to have added a number of
> people
> > from this list to a Google Group with a similar title to this list.
> Wearing
> > my mod hat, I just want to be clear: this list isn't going anywhere, the
> > Google Group is not WMF-sanctioned as far as I know, and scraping list
> > members to add people to a third-party mailing list is terrible
> netiquette
> > that will get you kicked off this list.
> >
> > -Leigh
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Leigh Honeywell
> > http://hypatia.ca
> > @hypatiadotca
> > _______________________________________________
> > Gendergap mailing list
> > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Gendergap mailing list
> > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list
> > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
> >
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> > Gendergap mailing list
> > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 11:28:18 -0800 (PST)
From: reguyla@gmail.com <reguyla@gmail.com>
To: kgorman@gmail.com <kgorman@gmail.com>,
gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Google Group invite
Message-ID: <000f426e.66998c7d16acbaa4@gmail.com>
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Sorry about the health issues and i have also removedvmyself from that other list.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device
------ Original message------
From: Kevin Gorman
Date: Thu, Dec 11, 2014 2:07 PM
To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects.;
Subject:Re: [Gendergap] Google Group invite
Sorry for not letting your message through sooner Russavia, for some reason it didn't show up in the queue until today (the queue was completely empty yesterday.) You aren't on +mod over this, though I'd have to look back to remember why you were (and I'd be surprised if we didn't tell you at the time.)
FWIW: I know who set up the list and it wasn't Russavia and wasn't anyone with an interest in gendergap issues. I've been having major health issues and know I'm not on the ball on this one, but would advise not engaging with anyone affiliated with the alternate list. The group that created it is a group that has harrassed ENWP editors irl in serious ways in the past and present.
----
Kevin Gorman
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Russavia <russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks to those who have sent me the info on the list. I've reported
it for "spam" and "other" -- unfortunately Google doesn't appear to
let you add any comments.
If anyone is still a member of the list and they make the membership
list available check to see if this "Russavia" is
russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com
All I am seeing there is:
"You must be a member of this group to view and participate in it.
Apply for membership or contact the owner.
Report this group"
Also, I've left a message for Leigh over on Meta at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Leigh_Honeywell#Gender_gap_mailing_list
noting also that I am on moderation on this list. I don't know who did
that or why, I wasn't advised about it, but if it was due to this case
it'd be great to have that lifted as well.
Thanks.
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Marie Earley <eiryel@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I got one and thought, "Wait a minute, doesn't that get you into trouble?"
> I've unsubscribed too. If I was ever going to burn my bridges I would do it
> in a more considered and constructive way than something like that.
>
> Marie
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:21:35 -0500
> From: risker.wp@gmail.com
> To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Google Group invite
>
> I got one and promptly unsubscribed. I don't do google groups, and every
> time someone has invited me to one, I've found they were not to my taste.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
> On 1 December 2014 at 02:08, Alison Cassidy <cooties@mac.com> wrote:
>
> I didn't get one. Now, I feel .... cheated! :D
>
> -- Allie
>
> On Nov 30, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Leigh Honeywell <leigh@hypatia.ca> wrote:
>
> Someone purporting to be Russavia appears to have added a number of people
> from this list to a Google Group with a similar title to this list. Wearing
> my mod hat, I just want to be clear: this list isn't going anywhere, the
> Google Group is not WMF-sanctioned as far as I know, and scraping list
> members to add people to a third-party mailing list is terrible netiquette
> that will get you kicked off this list.
>
> -Leigh
>
>
>
> --
> Leigh Honeywell
> http://hypatia.ca
> @hypatiadotca
> _______________________________________________
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list
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> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:16:21 -0700
From: LB <lightbreather2@gmail.com>
To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
participation of women within Wikimedia projects."
<gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Rosiestep in Huffington Post (yay good news)
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Makes me smile.
Lightbreather
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> yay rays of sunshine :)
>
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/netha-hussain/rosie-stephenson-the-woma_b_6302636.html
>
> --
>
> Sarah Stierch
>
> -----
>
> Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.
>
> www.sarahstierch.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 13:34:56 -0800
From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com>
To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
participation of women within Wikimedia projects."
<gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate
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http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/wikipedia_editing_disputes_the_crowdsourced_encyclopedia_has_become_a_rancorous.html
GENDER GAP TASK FORCE FTW
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-----
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:34:18 -0800
From: Siko Bouterse <sbouterse@wikimedia.org>
To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
participation of women within Wikimedia projects."
<gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Rosiestep in Huffington Post (yay good news)
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Wonderful post by Netha, and Rosiestep never fails to inspire. Thanks for
sharing :)
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 1:16 PM, LB <lightbreather2@gmail.com> wrote:
> Makes me smile.
>
> Lightbreather
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> yay rays of sunshine :)
>>
>>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/netha-hussain/rosie-stephenson-the-woma_b_6302636.html
>>
>> --
>>
>> Sarah Stierch
>>
>> -----
>>
>> Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.
>>
>> www.sarahstierch.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Gendergap mailing list
>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>>
>>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 15:38:20 -0700
From: LB <lightbreather2@gmail.com>
To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
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Excellent!
Lightbreather
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com>
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> http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/wikipedia_editing_disputes_the_crowdsourced_encyclopedia_has_become_a_rancorous.html
>
> GENDER GAP TASK FORCE FTW
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 18:13:20 -0500
From: Risker <risker.wp@gmail.com>
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Well, I suppose the Arbitration Committee will now figure out why I thought
the case name should be changed.
Risker/Anne
On 11 December 2014 at 17:38, LB <lightbreather2@gmail.com> wrote:
> Excellent!
>
>
> Lightbreather
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/wikipedia_editing_disputes_the_crowdsourced_encyclopedia_has_become_a_rancorous.html
>>
>> GENDER GAP TASK FORCE FTW
>>
>>
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 18:33:27 -0500
From: Samuel Klein <meta.sj@gmail.com>
To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
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Subject: [Gendergap] Tor on harassment
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The Tor Project today put out a statement against online harassment, in
particular the singling out of women:
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/solidarity-against-online-harassment
It's worth a read, and I'm sure they would welcome comments from other
communities.
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 16:08:49 -0800
From: Christine Meyer <christinewmeyer@gmail.com>
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Yah Rosie! I am proud to say that I have met Rosie in person, and can
attest that she's a great person. Very nice article.
Christine
Username: Figureskatingfan
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>
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/netha-hussain/rosie-stephenson-the-woma_b_6302636.html
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 20:47:31 -0500
From: Carol Moore dc <carolmooredc@verizon.net>
To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
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I kept providing this link to editors and Arbitrators during Arbitration
to show just how obsessed the media is Wikipedia's gendergap, but who
believes this loud mouthed woman?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force/media
Of course I will have to point out I already was banned before I wrote
the OUTRAGEOUS comment he quotes. But I must admit it is an accurate and
well-turned phrase... ( “the Manchester Gangbangers and their
cronies/minions.”)
I thought this all might happen pretty fast, way before I had my
detailed the scandal ad nauseam on my updated carolmoore.net website.
(It's 8 years out of date cause I spent too much time on Wikipedia.) I'm
so happy I'll be able to greatly improve my own site (and my others)
with all the brain exercise and research knowledge I've gained over the
years.
CM
On 12/11/2014 4:34 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:
> http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/wikipedia_editing_disputes_the_crowdsourced_encyclopedia_has_become_a_rancorous.html
>
>
> GENDER GAP TASK FORCE FTW
>
>
> --
>
> Sarah Stierch
>
>
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 20:55:40 -0500
From: Carol Moore dc <carolmooredc@verizon.net>
To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
participation of women within Wikimedia projects."
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Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Tor on harassment
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On 12/11/2014 6:33 PM, Samuel Klein wrote:
> The Tor Project today put out a statement against online harassment,
> in particular the singling out of women:
> https://blog.torproject.org/blog/solidarity-against-online-harassment
>
> It's worth a read, and I'm sure they would welcome comments from other
> communities.
>
> SJ
>
Because of the recent possibility someone faked an IP to get an editor
in trouble as a sock, I've been investigating how the heck they do it.
I went to the Tor page and read enough to know I didn't have days and
days to figure it all out. (Or to figure out if some banned editors or
socks were paying $6.00 a month to use it to fake different IPs and fool
the check user program.)
Reading the editorial I had to wonder if they actually are saying: "If
we think you are using Tor to harass people, we will stop you?"
I'm sure lots of people would leave if they were. So I guess it was
only a moral statement - and a great one!! - but just wondering...
CM
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 21:01:44 -0500
From: Carol Moore dc <carolmooredc@verizon.net>
To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
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On 12/11/2014 6:13 PM, Risker wrote:
> Well, I suppose the Arbitration Committee will now figure out why I
> thought the case name should be changed.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
The name is accurate. It was the interactions at GGTF that started the
hullabaloo. The Arbitration committee was coming out against it until
someone brought SPECIFICO's harassment of me to ANI, several GGTF people
got up to document/complain about it happening at GGTF, and SPECIFICO
got interaction banned.
At that point Sitush went crazy, screaming about outing and researching
me, site banning me, writing the bio, which ended up with and Misc for
Deletion and an ANI.
Suddenly Arbitration comittee decided "GGTF" was important enough.
Like Sitush, did enough Arbitrators think these WOMEN (and their
supporters) were getting just TOO uppity and getting males in trouble
for their mere boys will be boys (harassment) behavior?
Remember a couple of them were convinced by some liars that GGTF was
strongly behind the proposal that a woman's edits only could be reverted
by TWO male editors? It took several people with diffs to disabuse them
of that notion!!!
So this really was very much about GGTF and interactions there.
CM
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 18:58:41 -0800 (PST)
From: reguyla@gmail.com <reguyla@gmail.com>
To: carolmooredc@verizon.net <carolmooredc@verizon.net>,
gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate
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I agree, i pretty much knew that the ggtf stuff wkuld hitbthe news somewhere.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device
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From: Carol Moore dc
Date: Thu, Dec 11, 2014 9:01 PM
To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects.;
Subject:Re: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate
On 12/11/2014 6:13 PM, Risker wrote:
> Well, I suppose the Arbitration Committee will now figure out why I
> thought the case name should be changed.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
The name is accurate. It was the interactions at GGTF that started the
hullabaloo. The Arbitration committee was coming out against it until
someone brought SPECIFICO's harassment of me to ANI, several GGTF people
got up to document/complain about it happening at GGTF, and SPECIFICO
got interaction banned.
At that point Sitush went crazy, screaming about outing and researching
me, site banning me, writing the bio, which ended up with and Misc for
Deletion and an ANI.
Suddenly Arbitration comittee decided "GGTF" was important enough.
Like Sitush, did enough Arbitrators think these WOMEN (and their
supporters) were getting just TOO uppity and getting males in trouble
for their mere boys will be boys (harassment) behavior?
Remember a couple of them were convinced by some liars that GGTF was
strongly behind the proposal that a woman's edits only could be reverted
by TWO male editors? It took several people with diffs to disabuse them
of that notion!!!
So this really was very much about GGTF and interactions there.
CM
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 22:10:52 -0500
From: Risker <risker.wp@gmail.com>
To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
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Well perhaps it would have made the news. Or perhaps the author was
priming the pump for the GamerGate arbitration case, with which his name is
closely associated. Or perhaps it's just coincidence that someone who has a
platform also happens to be watching the arbitration committee at this
particular time and commented on the case that just happened to close at
the same time.
I disagree, however, that it was ever about the GGTF. This was a pretty
simple behaviour case and the behaviours submitted in evidence and
obviously considered by Arbcom went far beyond the GGTF, in the case of
pretty well everyone involved. It didn't take me long into my first term
as an arbitrator to realise that if an editor behaved problematically in
one venue, they were pretty much always behaving problematically in other
venues; in other words, the locus of the dispute was almost never a key
factor, it was the behaviour.
If people on this list insist that it really was all about the GGTF, then
the fact that the behaviours that resulted in the most significant
sanctions were all pointed at people who had a longer history of activity
at the GGTF than those who had a short history may be telling a truth that
many are reluctant to hear.
Risker/Anne
On 11 December 2014 at 21:58, reguyla@gmail.com <reguyla@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree, i pretty much knew that the ggtf stuff wkuld hitbthe news
> somewhere.
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device
>
>
>
>
>
> ------ Original message------
>
> *From: *Carol Moore dc
>
> *Date: *Thu, Dec 11, 2014 9:01 PM
>
> *To: *Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
> participation of women within Wikimedia projects.;
>
> *Subject:*Re: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate
>
>
>
> On 12/11/2014 6:13 PM, Risker wrote:
> > Well, I suppose the Arbitration Committee will now figure out why I
> > thought the case name should be changed.
> >
> > Risker/Anne
> >
> The name is accurate. It was the interactions at GGTF that started the
> hullabaloo. The Arbitration committee was coming out against it until
> someone brought SPECIFICO's harassment of me to ANI, several GGTF people
> got up to document/complain about it happening at GGTF, and SPECIFICO
> got interaction banned.
>
> At that point Sitush went crazy, screaming about outing and researching
> me, site banning me, writing the bio, which ended up with and Misc for
> Deletion and an ANI.
>
> Suddenly Arbitration comittee decided "GGTF" was important enough.
>
> Like Sitush, did enough Arbitrators think these WOMEN (and their
> supporters) were getting just TOO uppity and getting males in trouble
> for their mere boys will be boys (harassment) behavior?
>
> Remember a couple of them were convinced by some liars that GGTF was
> strongly behind the proposal that a woman's edits only could be reverted
> by TWO male editors? It took several people with diffs to disabuse them
> of that notion!!!
>
> So this really was very much about GGTF and interactions there.
>
> CM
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 19:33:47 -0800 (PST)
From: reguyla@gmail.com <reguyla@gmail.com>
To: risker.wp@gmail.com <risker.wp@gmail.com>,
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I dont disagree that there was some bad behavior, but i didnt see anything ban worthy. I do disagree that the case had nothing to do with ggtf though.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device
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From: Risker
Date: Thu, Dec 11, 2014 10:11 PM
To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects.;
Subject:Re: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate
Well perhaps it would have made the news. Or perhaps the author was priming the pump for the GamerGate arbitration case, with which his name is closely associated. Or perhaps it's just coincidence that someone who has a platform also happens to be watching the arbitration committee at this particular time and commented on the case that just happened to close at the same time.
I disagree, however, that it was ever about the GGTF. This was a pretty simple behaviour case and the behaviours submitted in evidence and obviously considered by Arbcom went far beyond the GGTF, in the case of pretty well everyone involved. It didn't take me long into my first term as an arbitrator to realise that if an editor behaved problematically in one venue, they were pretty much always behaving problematically in other venues; in other words, the locus of the dispute was almost never a key factor, it was the behaviour.
If people on this list insist that it really was all about the GGTF, then the fact that the behaviours that resulted in the most significant sanctions were all pointed at people who had a longer history of activity at the GGTF than those who had a short history may be telling a truth that many are reluctant to hear.
Risker/Anne
On 11 December 2014 at 21:58, reguyla@gmail.com <reguyla@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree, i pretty much knew that the ggtf stuff wkuld hitbthe news somewhere.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device
------ Original message------
From: Carol Moore dc
Date: Thu, Dec 11, 2014 9:01 PM
To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects.;
Subject:Re: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate
On 12/11/2014 6:13 PM, Risker wrote:
> Well, I suppose the Arbitration Committee will now figure out why I
> thought the case name should be changed.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
The name is accurate. It was the interactions at GGTF that started the
hullabaloo. The Arbitration committee was coming out against it until
someone brought SPECIFICO's harassment of me to ANI, several GGTF people
got up to document/complain about it happening at GGTF, and SPECIFICO
got interaction banned.
At that point Sitush went crazy, screaming about outing and researching
me, site banning me, writing the bio, which ended up with and Misc for
Deletion and an ANI.
Suddenly Arbitration comittee decided "GGTF" was important enough.
Like Sitush, did enough Arbitrators think these WOMEN (and their
supporters) were getting just TOO uppity and getting males in trouble
for their mere boys will be boys (harassment) behavior?
Remember a couple of them were convinced by some liars that GGTF was
strongly behind the proposal that a woman's edits only could be reverted
by TWO male editors? It took several people with diffs to disabuse them
of that notion!!!
So this really was very much about GGTF and interactions there.
CM
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 00:42:33 -0500 (EST)
From: "marinka marinkavandam.com" <marinka@marinkavandam.com>
To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 01:36:04 -0500
From: Carol Moore dc <carolmooredc@verizon.net>
To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
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On 12/11/2014 10:10 PM, Risker wrote:
> ..
>
> If people on this list insist that it really was all about the GGTF,
> then the fact that the behaviours that resulted in the most
> significant sanctions were all pointed at people who had a longer
> history of activity at the GGTF than those who had a short history may
> be telling a truth that many are reluctant to hear.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
What GGTF did was bring into focus for more individuals issues of
behavior (sexism, male dominance, negative female response to same) that
had not been as clear before.
When it appeared GGTF might have the ability to change some of these
behaviors, it was forced to Arbitration by those who wanted to make sure
those behaviors would not be challenged.
Arbitrators made it clear that a few female temper tandrums regarding
things like organized and repeated BLP violations or repeated harassment
over a number of years will not to be tolerated and would be punished
with the ultimate sanction. (Unless of course one takes the trumped up
and even fabricated accusations of two editors who have been harassing
me long term, one most definitely a sock puppet, seriously!)
And they made it clear that systemic bad male behavior to forward
various agendas -- if supported by enough editors willing to have a fit,
quit, stack discussions with their supporters, vote out arbitrators,
etc. in an organized fashion -- would result in only a smack on the wrists.
I think a lot of women quit Wikipedia after the first couple snide and
critical comments because they sense that that sort of sexist double
standard pervades Wikipedia. I'm annoyed with myself I put up with it
as long as I did.
CM
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 10:52:30 +0000
From: Fæ <faewik@gmail.com>
To: GenderGap <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Gendergap] Carolmooredc's talk page now made uneditable
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Re: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Carolmooredc
After adding links to the Slate article to Carol's talk page, the page
has now been protected against all edits apart from sysops. In my
view, the gradual change over the last two years to seeing the edit
rights of banned users changed so they can no longer discuss their ban
or related issues, is a poor move for openness of the project, and a
distinct lack of belief in reform or the ability of the project to
welcome back past banned or blocked users.
This case is doubly offensive as now nobody can use Carol's talk page
to ask about the ban or develop evidence that might help with an unban
request.
I have raised a polite request with the admin that took this action at
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ricky81682#User_talk:Carolmooredc>,
should this fail, then I can escalate to have this reviewed at
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection>.
If anyone on this list would like to support removing the edit block
on Carol's page, now is the time to make yourself heard on-wiki.
Thanks,
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