Can we please focus on the idea and facts instead of (in)appropriate tones ?

I think that trying a professional "Wiki Loves Women" before even trying to do it as a crownfounded, volunteer project is, as least, strange. It makes me sad, as a volunteer photographer, to be "forgotten" or taken for nothing.

I'd like to know what can be done, what has already be tried, what worked and didn't work. If projects like http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sarahdarkmagic/prismatic-art-collection?ref=live has many backers from this list. In one word, to focus on projects and actions.


Caroline


2012/5/6 Emily Monroe <emilymonroe03@gmail.com>
Of course, that's inappropriate and rude. So were you, but we all know that you know better.

From,
Emily



On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Béria Lima <beria.lima@wikimedia.pt> wrote:
This is highly inappropriate: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beria&diff=3706794&oldid=3691439 (at that is just the last one, I can give you both a pile bigger than the Everest)

And none of you are seing me complain about it. A single mail with irony and you run around claiming misogyny and rudeness? As the meme says: Bitch, please!
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On 6 May 2012 14:35, Emily Monroe <emilymonroe03@gmail.com> wrote:
Excuse me, Beria, but I agree that your tone is, in fact, highly inappropriate.

From,
Emily



On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Béria Lima <beria.lima@wikimedia.pt> wrote:
Sarah, until i tell you to "fuck off" I'm being respectful to you. Actually the simple meaning of taking time in my volunteer, no paid work as a wikimedian to answer your mail show I respect you.

To your idea: Ever heard of OTRS system? I'm sure with all your "work" for GLAM you already did, so if you have some image you want in commons ask them to release in a compatible license.

HIRE someone to take pictures for us is a very idiotic idea, with the full amount of great photographers who take pictures for free to upload on commons, even more, hire the models as well can almost qualify as the most idiot idea ever.

I do believe in volunteer work Sarah, which is the basis of our wiki way. Try to get something by paying people to do where you simply don't know if can be done by volunteers - since no one ever asked - is, in my humble opinion, stupid.
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On 6 May 2012 14:24, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/6/12 1:20 PM, Béria Lima wrote:
Good idea Sarah. Prove everyone in the world we don't even have enough woman in the 9% of editors who can take a picture of some "trivial" thing. Prove the world the only way to have picture of girls in commons is hiring models and photographers to take them.

I have NO idea why no one thought of this before!

Beria, I'd appreciate a more respectful tone. As always, with me, and anyone else on this list. The snarkiness of your comment isn't one to make me want to participate or share my brainstorms or ideas on this list.

Just because you disagree with my idea, doesn't mean others might find value in it, and it might improve content. Not every woman wants to edit Wikipedia and I have met women who are photographers who have expressed interest in uploading photographs and also women who would rather participate as volunteers to be photographed. Using the term model does not necessarily mean traditional "model body types" of women. Anyone can be a model if you put them in front of a camera.

Again, please be a bit more polite in your responses on this list. I know I'm not the only person who would appreciate that. Thank you,

-Sarah



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On 6 May 2012 14:13, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/6/12 1:07 PM, Carol Moore DC wrote:
On 5/2/2012 9:39 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:

Don't miss http://thehairpin.com/2011/01/women-laughing-alone-with-salad


Where are women laughing as they chop up bloody sausage...

To me I guess I see hostility and dominance in the kind of shots people have been complaining about.  I don't think women should respond en masse with the same, but if no one responds at all, I feel it is my duty to mention bloody sausages.

Of course, women have responded here, but I guess not enough of a ping in the fabric of world wide male dominance for me to keep my bloody sausages to my self...

Hmmm... maybe I should write some of my favorite artists with suggestions....

Or get rich and commission a bunch of stuff I like... whatever the them...

(Handsome male dogs of various breeds on their backs smiling and saying "Scratch my belly mommy.")

There was an idea brainstormed a little while back with me and a few other folks about seeking funding to have a "Wiki Loves Women" photography event that wanted photographers to take photographs of women - and this wouldn't be some broad crowdsourced thing like WLM, we would work with photographers, various "models" etc and make this legit with releases, etc - doing whatever we needed them to be better represented doing, so to say. So, wearing certain articles of clothing (i.e. "go go boots"), certain make up looks or uses, hairstyles, - places that are often poorly represented regarding "women's stuff" (i.e. men don't get manicures that often, sorry) even as extreme as sex acts, I also wanted to just have women doing "things" like mowing the lawn and planting flowers or pan searing salmon or whatever things need videos to represent them (and no, these women wouldn't be nude :P). The latter was inspired by Jenny Geigel Mikulay's work at Alverno College where she had her students (it's a women's college) make films of things like playing drums, the art museum building kinetic architecture time-lapsed, etc. All of these videos have been uploaded to Commons.

Someday I'll do it =) I can see it being a project that would be a perfect fit for Kickstarter.

Sarah

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